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0 pointstokinonagare1y ago0 comments

> Critics accuse him of spreading Russian Federation propaganda such as: claims of Nazism in Ukraine, Ukrainian attacks on Russian-speaking minority, claims of American "biolaboratories" in Ukraine, and accusing the US of causing the Russian Federation's invasion of Ukraine."

At least the claim regarding nazism is very valid. Heck, Ukraine has a whole bataillon using that emblem[1], featuring a rune-like SS symbol and the freaking black sun! People having been accused of nazism in the US or Europe for way less than that.

The implication of US in the Maiden Revolution, which is one root of the problem, is also documented in serious newspapers[2].

[1] https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/R%C3%A9giment_Azov#/media/Fich...

[2] https://www.lepoint.fr/monde/ukraine-la-cia-en-sous-main-05-...

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Mona40001y ago

The claim is that Ukraine is controlled by nazis and therefore Russian intervention is needed to free the Ukrainian people from nazi control, not that there are nazis in Ukraine (which is obviously true, the same way it's true that there are nazis in Russia, Germany, the US and many other places).

thaumasiotes1y ago

> At least the claim regarding nazism is very valid. Heck, Ukraine has a whole batallion

It was pretty funny when shortly after the war broke out Facebook had to modify their policy prohibiting praise of Azov.

yakshaving_jgt1y ago

“I am a Nazi.”

— Alexey Milchakov, field commander of the Rusich neo-Nazi paramilitary group in russia.

The war was never about Nazism. The russians use the word “Nazi” to describe anyone who opposes russia. The official russian position on WWII is that it started in 1941 (when Operation Barbarossa started, and not the invasion of Poland), and russia’s official position is that the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact never existed.

Russia is full of Nazis, and the russians were allied with Nazi Germany in WWII.

The war in Ukraine today is not about Naziism.

mingus881y ago

I think we often forget that Russian propaganda is also often aimed at Russians and not the west.

Nazis invaded Russia and calling their neighbors Nazis is meant to invoke fear and imminent danger to the Russian people. It’s a completely different vibe than calling right wingers Nazis in the US

aguaviva1y ago

It also feeds into their "Ukraine is not really a country" narrative.

Because how do we know it's not really a country? Because it's overrun with zombies (Nazis), of course.

tim3331y ago

The Russians have a strange relationship with Nazism. They enthusiastically partnered with Hitler in 1939 to take over Europe and only went 'anti nazi' when Hitler turned on them.

They now call their opponents nazis when they behave more like the German nazi party than any other country on earth. I can't help but think it's a propaganda thing to call the enemies nazis to distract from behaving that way themselves.

I mean who rolled tanks into Ukraine to grab the territory for themselves and drive their 'lesser people' into submission? Putin's invasion is pretty much a copy of Hitlers.

JetSpiegel1y ago

If by "enthusiastically" you mean sign a secret pact that was violated a few years afterwards, sure.

Molotov-Ribbentrop was not exactly shouted from rooftops, it wasn't even officially acknowledged until decades later.

aguaviva1y ago

The exact protocol was kept secret. But the alliance itself was no secret at all -- the whole world knew about it, and there were open "victory parades" in major cities like Brest, Lwów, and Grodno. They even built elaborate "Victory Arches" with swastikas and red stars side by side.

If that doesn't count as a signal of "enthusiasm", I don't know what does.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German%E2%80%93Soviet_military...

aguaviva1y ago

At least the claim regarding nazism is very valid.

Except it's not. It's just a random collection of (by now very old) partial factoids mostly taken out of context and blown wildly out of proportion.

Why? To push your buttons, and get you riled up.

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Mona40001y ago

thaumasiotes1y ago

> At least the claim regarding nazism is very valid. Heck, Ukraine has a whole batallion

It was pretty funny when shortly after the war broke out Facebook had to modify their policy prohibiting praise of Azov.

yakshaving_jgt1y ago

“I am a Nazi.”

— Alexey Milchakov, field commander of the Rusich neo-Nazi paramilitary group in russia.

Russia is full of Nazis, and the russians were allied with Nazi Germany in WWII.

The war in Ukraine today is not about Naziism.

mingus881y ago

I think we often forget that Russian propaganda is also often aimed at Russians and not the west.

Nazis invaded Russia and calling their neighbors Nazis is meant to invoke fear and imminent danger to the Russian people. It’s a completely different vibe than calling right wingers Nazis in the US

aguaviva1y ago

It also feeds into their "Ukraine is not really a country" narrative.

Because how do we know it's not really a country? Because it's overrun with zombies (Nazis), of course.

tim3331y ago

The Russians have a strange relationship with Nazism. They enthusiastically partnered with Hitler in 1939 to take over Europe and only went 'anti nazi' when Hitler turned on them.

I mean who rolled tanks into Ukraine to grab the territory for themselves and drive their 'lesser people' into submission? Putin's invasion is pretty much a copy of Hitlers.

JetSpiegel1y ago

If by "enthusiastically" you mean sign a secret pact that was violated a few years afterwards, sure.

Molotov-Ribbentrop was not exactly shouted from rooftops, it wasn't even officially acknowledged until decades later.

aguaviva1y ago

If that doesn't count as a signal of "enthusiasm", I don't know what does.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German%E2%80%93Soviet_military...

aguaviva1y ago

At least the claim regarding nazism is very valid.

Except it's not. It's just a random collection of (by now very old) partial factoids mostly taken out of context and blown wildly out of proportion.

Why? To push your buttons, and get you riled up.

j / k navigate · click thread line to collapse