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0 pointsjames_promoted1y ago0 comments

> Google open source libraries are often a mess when you try to include more than one of them in the same project

Completely agree. In isolation all of their libs are great, but inevitably I end up having to build Abseil from source, to then build Protobuf off of that, to then build gRPC off of that. If I can include the sanitizers under Google then that also becomes painful because Abseil (at least) will have ABI issues if it isn't built appropriately. Thinking about it I'd really just like a flat_hash_map replacement so I can drop Abseil.

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Doctor_Fegg1y ago

Protobuf depending on Abseil (which has ongoing macOS build issues) is clinically insane. I tend to use protozero now which trades half a day’s boilerplate for two days’ build heartache.

https://github.com/mapbox/protozero

jeffbee1y ago

Wouldn't it be even more insane if protobuf had its own distinct string splitting/merging routines, its own flags and logging libraries, etc?

Doctor_Fegg1y ago

No. Not at all. String splitting is a couple of lines' code. I don't want have to think about a logging framework just to read a protobuf - it can send stuff to stderr like everything else. If Google wants protobuf to be a widely accepted standard then it shouldn't require you to opt into their ecosystem to use it.

jcelerier1y ago

> Thinking about it I'd really just like a flat_hash_map replacement so I can drop Abseil.

boost has a flat_hash_map implementation for quite a few versions now, which from what I could see generally beat or is competitive with the absl implementation: https://www.reddit.com/r/cpp/comments/yikfi4/boost_181_will_...

vitus1y ago

The reddit thread mentions that the author was probably going to write a blog post about it at some point; I went and found it so you don't have to.

I was curious what exactly differentiates boost::unordered_flat_map from absl::flat_hash_map, and was not disappointed. It seems that the lion's share of the performance improvement comes from using more of the metadata for the reduced hash value, although there are a few other contributing factors.

The blog post further describes where absl::flat_hash_map performs better: iteration (and consequently erasure), which is ironic given those are a couple of areas where I always felt that absl::flat_hash_map was especially weak. But, it makes sense to double down on Abseil's strengths as well as its shortcomings.

https://bannalia.blogspot.com/2022/11/inside-boostunorderedf...

joaquintides1y ago

Iteration has been improved since, and now we’re beating Abseil on iteration plus erasure:

https://github.com/boostorg/boost_unordered_benchmarks/tree/...

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jeffbee1y ago

FWIW the flat hash map in Boost is now faster. I am not sure if integrating Boost is any easier for you.

james_promotedOP1y ago

I occasionally reconsider it so I can try a bunch of the FB alternatives (Folly, Thrift, CacheLib, etc.), but... yeah. Still just kind of waiting for a panacea.

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Doctor_Fegg1y ago

Protobuf depending on Abseil (which has ongoing macOS build issues) is clinically insane. I tend to use protozero now which trades half a day’s boilerplate for two days’ build heartache.

https://github.com/mapbox/protozero

jeffbee1y ago

Wouldn't it be even more insane if protobuf had its own distinct string splitting/merging routines, its own flags and logging libraries, etc?

Doctor_Fegg1y ago

jcelerier1y ago

> Thinking about it I'd really just like a flat_hash_map replacement so I can drop Abseil.

vitus1y ago

The reddit thread mentions that the author was probably going to write a blog post about it at some point; I went and found it so you don't have to.

https://bannalia.blogspot.com/2022/11/inside-boostunorderedf...

joaquintides1y ago

Iteration has been improved since, and now we’re beating Abseil on iteration plus erasure:

https://github.com/boostorg/boost_unordered_benchmarks/tree/...

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jeffbee1y ago

FWIW the flat hash map in Boost is now faster. I am not sure if integrating Boost is any easier for you.

james_promotedOP1y ago

I occasionally reconsider it so I can try a bunch of the FB alternatives (Folly, Thrift, CacheLib, etc.), but... yeah. Still just kind of waiting for a panacea.

j / k navigate · click thread line to collapse