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0 pointspythonguython1y ago0 comments

I wasn’t counting anyone out, but Kazakhstan is comprised mostly of Kazakhs.

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cocodill1y ago· 7 in thread

you're a bit wrong. at the time of the collapse of the USSR, the population of Kazakhstan consisted of 40% Kazakhs and 38% Russians, 6% Germans and 5% Ukrainians, plus other ethnic groups. Kazakhs were not an absolute majority.

aguaviva1y ago

At the time of the collapse of the USSR

As far as attempts a spin are concerned -- this one's really quite ludicrous.

Howabout we try the present tense:

  Ethnic Kazakhs make up 71%, Russians 14.9%, Uzbeks 3.3%, Ukrainians 1.9%, Uygur 1.5%, Germans 1.1%, Tatars 1.1%, and others 5.2%.

cocodill1y ago

these are early nineties problems, so you have to look at data from the early nineties.

aguaviva1y ago

Then perhaps you should try communicating more clearly.

When someone says "Kazakhstan is comprised of ...", and you say "This is wrong" -- you're obviously referring to the present tense.

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pythonguythonOP1y ago

During the Soviet Union the ethnic Russians came from Russia, lived in the large cities, had most of the high paying jobs and then left when Kazakhstan had their independence. They were colonized and now they have their own country.

cocodill1y ago

if you're talking about colonization, the second sentence should note that they brought civilization to those places.

In fact, even before the Soviet Union, since the 1740s, these steppes were part of the Russian Empire, and Russians built cities there.

pythonguythonOP1y ago

They had civilization. The Islamic golden age touched Central Asia, The Silk Road passed through Central Asia, bringing wealth and ideas to the region. The people of the Kazakh steppe were largely nomadic but they had civilization. The Russians came and forced them to live in cities and work largely non-arable land. The Russians certainly kick started their process of industrialization, but they had civilization.

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aguaviva1y ago

They brought civilization to those places.

That's the same nonsense justification used in support of all colonial projects.

Simply put - it's a lie.

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cocodill1y ago· 7 in thread

aguaviva1y ago

At the time of the collapse of the USSR

As far as attempts a spin are concerned -- this one's really quite ludicrous.

Howabout we try the present tense:

  Ethnic Kazakhs make up 71%, Russians 14.9%, Uzbeks 3.3%, Ukrainians 1.9%, Uygur 1.5%, Germans 1.1%, Tatars 1.1%, and others 5.2%.

cocodill1y ago

these are early nineties problems, so you have to look at data from the early nineties.

aguaviva1y ago

Then perhaps you should try communicating more clearly.

When someone says "Kazakhstan is comprised of ...", and you say "This is wrong" -- you're obviously referring to the present tense.

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pythonguythonOP1y ago

cocodill1y ago

if you're talking about colonization, the second sentence should note that they brought civilization to those places.

In fact, even before the Soviet Union, since the 1740s, these steppes were part of the Russian Empire, and Russians built cities there.

pythonguythonOP1y ago

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aguaviva1y ago

They brought civilization to those places.

That's the same nonsense justification used in support of all colonial projects.

Simply put - it's a lie.

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