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0 pointsem-bee1y ago0 comments

thank you. so really the problem is that nobody seems to be aware that most OO languages are actually using message passing. unfortunately that results in that quote becoming meaningless because it tells people to do something that they are already doing, and then they wonder why they don't learn anything. it's like telling people that they need to add H₂O or aqua to their diet.

>> i can't tell the difference

> i did see differences.

Spot the difference. ;-)

well the first refers to the difference between message passing and function calling. which i couldn't see because all languages i worked with are using message passing.

the second refers to the difference between smalltalk and other languages, which owes to the particular implementation of smalltalk, and not just message passing.

in summary, you are confirming what i thought i understood. it appears i need to do the reverse and actually explore languages that don't do message passing to see the difference.

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mpweiher1y ago· 2 in thread

> so really the problem is that nobody seems to be aware that most OO languages are actually using message passing.

That turns out not to be the case. C++ is not. Java is not.

Of course, many would say that those two are not object-oriented, so that way around you can make it work.

> which i couldn't see because all languages i worked with are using message passing.

That still is not the case. So your explanation for the contradiction in your statements also makes no sense.

> in summary, you are confirming what i thought i understood.

No, I am most emphatically not doing that, and what I've written makes that very, very clear. There is little I can add to that, I could only repeat myself.

Have a nice day.

em-beeOP1y ago

That turns out not to be the case. C++ is not. Java is not.

i meant all the languages besides those. if you make a list of all known OO languages, most of them will be dynamic languages with message passing. C++ and java and a few others will be the exception.

> which i couldn't see because all languages i worked with are using message passing.

That still is not the case

do you know which languages i have worked with? which of those do not use message passing?

what I've written makes that very, very clear

well it appears we are talking past each other, and therefore it doesn't.

mpweiher1y ago

> well it appears we are talking past each other, and therefore it doesn't.

Well yes, you've basically ignored everything I've written and then blithely claimed the opposite.

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