Besides hard-working PhD students, another key ingredient that our research institute QuTech facilitated, was the collaboration with expert hardware and software engineers, allowing us to quickly transform new ideas into (deployable) products. A great show of what's possible when academia mixes with professional engineering. But of course there was enough hacking and tinkering going on that it warrants to be on HN ;)
You can reply here if you have any questions, I'll be checking throughout the day. Thanks!
- Are the photons themselves carrying quantum information?
- Does the photon link result in entangled particles in Delft and Den Haag?
- Can these entangled particles be used for communication without the optical link?
Also, I tried looking this stuff up and ran into something about quantum "repeaters" and a plans for a whole quantum network. Is this research part of working towards that? How far are we now, and what steps are still missing? Thanks!
Edit: Looks like you guys built a multi-node quantum network 2 years ago! I will have to do some more reading.
- Yes and no. The photons emitted and sent through the fiber are entangled with their electron counterparts. So we send simultaneously a photon state (entangled with electron) from Delft, and a photon state (entangled with electron) from Den Haag. Those states interfere in the midpoint (Rijswijk), and upon measurement of one photon (photon now is absorbed/measured/gone) we know that the _electrons_ of the nodes in Delft and Den Haag are entangled.
- The above also answers this question: yes!
- No. They can be used to transfer a quantum state from one place to the other, for example, which _consumes_ the entanglement (one-time use only, per pair of entangled particles). However, still classical feedback signals need to propagate for that to happen, so we still need _a_ link, preferably optical (for speed and distance). Wiki has actually a great page on teleportation: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_teleportation
I'll answer to a different question on repeaters later in another comment, so check back :) Indeed, multi-node quantum network was an awesome experiment. This takes it to the next level of being able to distribute entanglement over large distances and between quantum nodes that are self-sufficient (no sharing of hardware resources between nodes).
In figure 3 of the paper [1] the heralded infidelity of entanglement is reported to be around 45%. That's not good enough for computation, but it's less than 50% which means it makes purification to arbitrarily low infidelity possible. However, the conversion rates would be pretty brutal for such a high infidelity start (e.g. millions of physical pairs consumed per logical pair good enough for use in a fault tolerant computation e.g. a target logical infidelity of 1e-6 or 1e-9).
I know very little about quantum networking. I assume you are going beyond what they did here? How so? [1]
> Recently, as a sort of proof of potential and a first step toward functional quantum networks, a team of researchers with the Illinois‐Express Quantum Network (IEQNET) successfully deployed a long-distance quantum network between two U.S. Department of Energy (DOE) laboratories using local fiber optics.
> The experiment marked the first time that quantum-encoded photons — the particle through which quantum information is delivered — and classical signals were simultaneously delivered across a metropolitan-scale distance with an unprecedented level of synchronization.
> “To have two national labs that are 50 kilometers apart, working on quantum networks with this shared range of technical capability and expertise, is not a trivial thing,” said Panagiotis Spentzouris, head of the Quantum Science Program at Fermilab and lead researcher on the project. “You need a diverse team to attack this very difficult and complex problem.”
[1] https://www.anl.gov/article/quantum-network-between-two-nati...
Like at most i hear about quantum key distribution, but quite frankly the classical equivalents to that are just as good if not better, so what is the actual benefit?
Still, it seems like what is needed here is more a quantum LAN, or possibly even just an on board interconnect between quantum processors. The focus on wide area quantum networks feels a bit odd.
As far as i am aware, none of the problems faster on a QC are helped in anyway by quantum internet.
(2) easier experiments. Currently, doing a loophole free Bell inequality test is hard enough that people get PhDs for it. With a quantum network that experiment is way easier, because the network solves the hard part (distributing the entanglement). You could probably also use quantum networks for other experimental tasks, like coherently linking telescopes on separate continents, though the bandwidth and computational requirements for that would probably be a bit insane.
There are also some more out there ideas, like if stock markets contain Bell inequalities then you could use a quantum network to build up entanglement that is then consumed to win those games more often which equals $$$. But it's hard to imagine concrete scenarios that would create such an inequality, nevermind one where the expected dollars gained from the quantum strategy exceeded the cost of operating the network.
I think over time they will discover a benefit but the hype is obviously not warranted.
But few years ago I heard of some other interesting uses where quantum properties were used to essentially enable DWDM-like virtual circuit routing with higher capacity - though I would have to look again if it went anywhere or into scrap heap of quantum BS.
Except it doesn't solve the mitm problem, so its not really safer.
from my perspective this is fascinating area of physics that we need to know more about and will improve our understanding of fundamental physics.
- security - if we use quantum entanglement/teleportation to the extent I've read about how it works, then even if you still need a fiber optic cable connecting the two parties, the data is unreadable if you're not looking at physically the same wave/photons, meaning that man in the middle attack (like the ones with bending an optic cable to break it's internal reflection) is literally impossible. The data in the middle would not be readable without the receiving end entangled device, and the other side would immediately know about the attack, because an identical signal would not be readable either, as it's not the same signal anymore.
- I think the ultimate promise is transferring data without a physical link of any kind in-between. Connect two atoms, manipulate one, read the other - like ansibles in LeGuin/O.S.Card fiction. Instant interplanetary communication (which, I think, fucks up the idea of time too?)
The second is just wrong. It is well known and proven that it's impossible to send information via quantum entanglement. It's true that there are some interpretations of QM where the wave function of the entangled pair collapses instantly the moment one side of the pair is measured. But there is no version of QM where manipulating one side of the pair has any effect whatsoever on the other, except for measurement collapsing the quantum superposition into a random classical state.
The best classical intuition for how entanglement works is that two entangled particles are like two gloves from a pair. If you put them in boxes and separate them, when someone opens a box and finds the left glove, they instantly find out that the other person has the right glove. The difference with quantum entanglement is simply that the universe only decides which glove is which when you open the box, before that they are both in a mix of the states. This makes statistical properties measurably different if you send many pairs of gloves and look at how many times certain things match.
But there really is nothing that you can do with a pair of entangled particles that you couldn't do with the pair of gloves.
I should note for completeness that, because of the different statistical properties, there is a way to send slightly more information using entangled pairs than you can with classical particles. I believe you can send 1.5 bits of information per particle, but I don't remember the exact number. This means that a quantum internet could have higher throughput at the same transmit power, which would have some relevance for very long distance wireless communication, such as communicating with a space probe.
Yes I get through quantum magic you can theoretically tell if your secret has been intercepted in the quantum state because it would cause a wave form collapse but the wave form wouldn't collapse if they were listening in to your quantum computer squeaking and buzzing and decoding those noises or timings or reading its heat signature etc, or getting your operator drunk and finding out their dog's name or partner's birthday and using it as their password, or kidnapping them and hitting them with things until they voluntarily give you their password etc. All those types of attacks would still work and still be just as undetectable as they are in classical encryption. ie all the most effective forms of attack are still just as effective in a quantum case.
I think it's a very interesting area of research but this whole idea of uncrackable codes is a stretch.
One thing is for sure: you can’t send information faster than light with this or any other kind of quantum communication as two entangled qubits are basically two RNGs that are correlated. You’d just get noise without an additional classical, not FTL, data link (please, somebody with expertise: help!)
https://www.nsa.gov/Cybersecurity/Quantum-Key-Distribution-Q...
https://www.ncsc.gov.uk/whitepaper/quantum-security-technolo...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snake_oil_(cryptography)
Stick with TLS. If you really think quantum computers are a threat to anything, use a hybrid-PQC key exchange.
My honest professional opinion is a cryptographically-relevant quantum computer will never exist, making classic cryptography superior in every case.
