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0 pointsvalenterry1y ago0 comments

That should be when you move to more sophistcated (and also complex/complicated) languages that relieve you from as much of this boilerplate as possible.

The rest is then general design and archiceture, where LLMs really don't help much with. What they are really good for is to get an idea of possible options in spaces were you have little experience or to quickly explain and summarize specific solutions and their pros and cons. But I tried to make it pick a solution based on the constraints and even with many tries and careful descriptions, the results were really bad.

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mewpmewp21y ago

I think it is not the boilerplate of the programming language necessarily, but it is more to do with boilerplate of common business logic. E.g. even say form validation, I have done it countless of times and I can't be bothered to write out rules for each field again, but AI can easily generate me Zod schema with reasonable validation based on the database model or schema. It probably does better validation rules than I would do quickly on my first try.

Then I use these validations both in the backend and frontend.

valenterryOP1y ago

There is nothing that stops a good PL from doing the same. In fact, that is why languages like F# support a concept called "type provider".

mewpmewp21y ago

I'm talking about web/app UI validation, are we talking about the same thing?

Does F# provide ability to display validation errors with good UX to users using your app? How does it know what user friendly error messages look like?

Okay very simple example prompt that will generate 100+ lines of code.

"Give CRUD example using shadcn, react-hook-form, zod, trpc to create an example of a TODO app"

Which programming language would be able to replace the UI at this level of quality and how the UI looks?

Now this is very basic example, and it's a "todo app" without existing project, but I find it can give me a lot various different 100+ lines of boilerplate, from charts to sql explorers, to much else.

Also most web app developers and especially juniors usually have terrible error, loading, validation handling, and SOTA seems far superior to that, handling those cases everytime with ease and most intuitive error messages.

It will patiently always do "isLoading", checks for error, etc.

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0 pointsvalenterry1y ago0 comments

That should be when you move to more sophistcated (and also complex/complicated) languages that relieve you from as much of this boilerplate as possible.

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mewpmewp21y ago

Then I use these validations both in the backend and frontend.

valenterryOP1y ago

There is nothing that stops a good PL from doing the same. In fact, that is why languages like F# support a concept called "type provider".

mewpmewp21y ago

I'm talking about web/app UI validation, are we talking about the same thing?

Does F# provide ability to display validation errors with good UX to users using your app? How does it know what user friendly error messages look like?

Okay very simple example prompt that will generate 100+ lines of code.

"Give CRUD example using shadcn, react-hook-form, zod, trpc to create an example of a TODO app"

Which programming language would be able to replace the UI at this level of quality and how the UI looks?

It will patiently always do "isLoading", checks for error, etc.

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