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0 pointsaerhardt1y ago0 comments

> There is nothing magical or special about human brain.

There is a lot about the human brain that even the world's top neuroscientists don't know. There's plenty of magic about it if we define magic as undiscovered knowledge.

There's also no consensus among top AI researchers that current techniques like LLMs will get us anywhere close to AGI.

Nothing I've seen on current models (not even o1-preview) suggests to me that AIs can reason about codebases of more than 5k LOC. A top 5% engineer can probably make sense of a codebase of a couple million LOC in time.

Which models specifically have you seen that are looking like they will be able to surmount any time soon the challenges of software design and architecture I'm laying out in my previous comment?

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snowe20101y ago· 5 in thread

Defining AGI as “can reason about 5MLOC” is ridiculous. When do the goal posts stop moving? When a computer can solve time travel? Babies have behavior all the time that is no more differentiable from what an LLM does on a normal basis (including terrible logic and hallucinations).

The majority of people on the planet can barely reason about how any given politician will affect them, even when there’s a billion resources out there telling them exactly that. No reasonable human would ever define AGI as having anything to do with coding at all, since that’s not even “general intelligence”… it’s learned facts and logic.

weweweoo1y ago

Babies can at least manipulate the physical world. Large language model can never be defined as AGI until it can control a general purpose robot, similar to how human brain controls our body's motor functions.

snowe20101y ago

You’re commenting that on an article about how Claude literally can do what you’re talking about.

aerhardtOP1y ago

As generally intelligent beings, we can adapt to reading and producing 5M LOC, or to live in arctic climates, or to build a building in colonial or classical style as dictated by cost, taste, and other factors. That is generality in intelligence.

I haven't moved any goal posts - it is your definition which is way too narrow.

snowe20101y ago

You’re literally moving the goalposts right now. These models _are_ adapting to what you’re talking about. When Claude makes a model for haikus, how is that different than a poet who knows literally nothing about math but is fantastic at poetry?

I’m sure as soon as Claude can handle 5MLOC you’ll say it should be 10, and it needs to make sure it can serve you a Michelin star dinner as well.

That’s not AGI. Stop moving the goalposts.

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throwup2381y ago

> When do the goal posts stop moving?

When someone comes up with a rigorous definition of intelligence.

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weweweoo1y ago

snowe20101y ago

You’re commenting that on an article about how Claude literally can do what you’re talking about.

aerhardtOP1y ago

I haven't moved any goal posts - it is your definition which is way too narrow.

snowe20101y ago

I’m sure as soon as Claude can handle 5MLOC you’ll say it should be 10, and it needs to make sure it can serve you a Michelin star dinner as well.

That’s not AGI. Stop moving the goalposts.

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throwup2381y ago

> When do the goal posts stop moving?

When someone comes up with a rigorous definition of intelligence.

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