Robot vacuum cleaners hacked to spy on, insult owners (opens in new tab)

(malwarebytes.com)

42 pointshampelm1y ago31 comments

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God bless these teenage degenerates and their endlessly creative fuckery. They bring more color to the world.

More importantly, they are raising consciousness of fundamental problems that can lead to very damaging consequences by doing cheap pranks with trivial consequences.

deepfriedchokes1y ago

Yeah these security holes they exposed were huge! I hope the company gets sued.

Lulz are a really cheap bounty program and a lot of kids value the opportunity to be a shitass way more than money.

woodrowbarlow1y ago

... for invading someone's privacy and screaming racist obscenities in their home? i vehemently disagree.

guestbest1y ago

I use a robot vacuum not connected to the internet. It has a remote and the same settings as an internet connected robot vacuum such as radial pattern, along edges, spot clean, etc. I hope it spurs people to consider these kinds of tools that don’t need to be connected to the internet to function over tools that don’t have a local/offline mode.

woodrowbarlow1y ago

this whole subthread is upsetting. horrifying to see HN glorify the antagonist. the family was made to feel unsafe in their own home. yes, the manufacturer was negligent but that does not make it okay, it just means multiple parties are at fault. don't spin roomba terrorists as do-gooders. this teenage hacker was spreading hate and fear.

Rygian1y ago

Consider the alternatives. Anyone else exploiting such a vulnerability would have worse intentions.

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beAbU1y ago

Getting racist slurs yelled at me by my robot vacuum is arguably the best outcome imaginable if someone hacked it.

hulitu1y ago

> ... for invading someone's privacy and screaming racist obscenities in their home? i vehemently disagree.

"someone's privacy" was already raped by the company selling the product. If a random kid can see in your house, everybody can see.

"I have nothing to hide" i suppose./s

delichon1y ago· 3 in thread

My Roborock has a three button combination you have to press on the bot to enable remote viewing. I suppose once you do that all bets are off. But at least it requires access to the hardware and is off by default. Better if you could configure it to disable again after each use or periodically.

I'd really want this feature to keep an eye on my pets if I work away from home again. I could see buying a bot just for that.

joe_the_user1y ago

How do you know those buttons go to hardwired switches rather than being controlled by software that could be remotely hacked?

amelius1y ago

My thought exactly.

iAMkenough1y ago

My pup would be tormented by the vacuum following it around while I'm not there. She gets freaked out enough by a stationary PTZ camera on my bookshelf.

gedy1y ago· 3 in thread

These darn things don't need to be "cloud enabled", or even wifi. Please make them Bluetooth, etc only.

These dopey use cases of needing to trigger a cleaning while miles away have always seemed like a stretch.

Syonyk1y ago

Right. But the actual use case of being able to sell your home's floorplan and general cleaning schedule/behaviors/etc to advertisers requires cloud functionality, so you need some fig leaf to cover up the requirement...

I agree, local only would be great. But that's not aligned with the "sell a product once, sell the data collected forever!" model that most modern consumer tech products operate on.

amelius1y ago

Even if they're Bluetooth-only: AdTech will invent some way to send Ethernet packets over it, sooner than you might expect.

accrual1y ago

Maybe a step further for privacy: a physical "config mode" toggle on top of the vacuum that enables the BlueTooth radio for a point-to-point connection with the phone app, then toggle it back when you're done. Wouldn't prevent the vacuum from caching data during its work and sending it when in config mode though, I suppose.

moepstar1y ago· 2 in thread

Put Valetudo on it - https://valetudo.cloud/

Robot incompatible? That’d be a hard pass…

jbaber1y ago

This looks great. Hard to find used robots it supports.

moepstar1y ago

Uhm, Valetudo supports 35 different robots: https://valetudo.cloud/pages/general/supported-robots.html

Maybe not the model you’re looking for, but saying that you’re unable to find used, supported robots?

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qmr1y ago· 1 in thread

It's almost like you shouldn't connect random ass appliances to the internet.

My ancient roombas clean just fine with no cameras, internet, or AI nonsense.

badgersnake1y ago

Yep, I was gonna say exactly the same thing. Don’t connect it to the internet, just don’t do it.

jowea1y ago· 1 in thread

I was almost starting to think hacking had gotten too professional and commercialized for script kiddies to exist.

accrual1y ago

If anything, I'd expect it to proliferate with the easy access to GitHub and now LLMs. When I was a script kiddie we had to find tools on various forums attached as a .zip/.tgz and hope the supplied .exe/bin wasn't a virus. :)

dang1y ago

Hacked Robot Vacuums Across the U.S. Started Yelling Slurs - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41815055 - Oct 2024 (1 comment)

Robot Vacuums Hacked to Shout Slurs at Their Owners - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41812546 - Oct 2024 (1 comment)

Insecure Deebot robot vacuums collect photos and audio to train AI - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41753983 - Oct 2024 (37 comments)

ABC News hacks into popular robot vacuum, watches owner through camera - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41735871 - Oct 2024 (138 comments)

gnabgib1y ago

Related Insecure Deebot robot vacuums collect photos and audio to train AI (82 points, 15 days ago, 37 comments) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41753983

LinuxBender1y ago

Maybe the fact it shows how these devices can spy might educate people on what IoT's are doing all day every day in their homes and around their kids. Would this be considered hactivism?

I'm half curious if they got some of the idea from Michael Reeves [1].

[1] - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mvz3LRK263E [video][11 mins][language, wear headphones maybe]

dijit1y ago

I’m immediately envisioning the watch dogs 2 “jumper” bot.

https://youtu.be/f5oKFufx2Z0?si=xGMEkAMZRgIqJuH_

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31 comments

28 comments · 10 top-level

deepfriedchokes1y ago· 8 in thread

God bless these teenage degenerates and their endlessly creative fuckery. They bring more color to the world.

marcosdumay1y ago

More importantly, they are raising consciousness of fundamental problems that can lead to very damaging consequences by doing cheap pranks with trivial consequences.

deepfriedchokes1y ago

Yeah these security holes they exposed were huge! I hope the company gets sued.

Lulz are a really cheap bounty program and a lot of kids value the opportunity to be a shitass way more than money.

woodrowbarlow1y ago

... for invading someone's privacy and screaming racist obscenities in their home? i vehemently disagree.

guestbest1y ago

woodrowbarlow1y ago

Rygian1y ago

Consider the alternatives. Anyone else exploiting such a vulnerability would have worse intentions.

1 more reply

beAbU1y ago

Getting racist slurs yelled at me by my robot vacuum is arguably the best outcome imaginable if someone hacked it.

hulitu1y ago

> ... for invading someone's privacy and screaming racist obscenities in their home? i vehemently disagree.

"someone's privacy" was already raped by the company selling the product. If a random kid can see in your house, everybody can see.

"I have nothing to hide" i suppose./s

delichon1y ago· 3 in thread

I'd really want this feature to keep an eye on my pets if I work away from home again. I could see buying a bot just for that.

joe_the_user1y ago

How do you know those buttons go to hardwired switches rather than being controlled by software that could be remotely hacked?

amelius1y ago

My thought exactly.

iAMkenough1y ago

My pup would be tormented by the vacuum following it around while I'm not there. She gets freaked out enough by a stationary PTZ camera on my bookshelf.

gedy1y ago· 3 in thread

These darn things don't need to be "cloud enabled", or even wifi. Please make them Bluetooth, etc only.

These dopey use cases of needing to trigger a cleaning while miles away have always seemed like a stretch.

Syonyk1y ago

I agree, local only would be great. But that's not aligned with the "sell a product once, sell the data collected forever!" model that most modern consumer tech products operate on.

amelius1y ago

Even if they're Bluetooth-only: AdTech will invent some way to send Ethernet packets over it, sooner than you might expect.

accrual1y ago

moepstar1y ago· 2 in thread

Put Valetudo on it - https://valetudo.cloud/

Robot incompatible? That’d be a hard pass…

jbaber1y ago

This looks great. Hard to find used robots it supports.

moepstar1y ago

Uhm, Valetudo supports 35 different robots: https://valetudo.cloud/pages/general/supported-robots.html

Maybe not the model you’re looking for, but saying that you’re unable to find used, supported robots?

1 more reply

qmr1y ago· 1 in thread

It's almost like you shouldn't connect random ass appliances to the internet.

My ancient roombas clean just fine with no cameras, internet, or AI nonsense.

badgersnake1y ago

Yep, I was gonna say exactly the same thing. Don’t connect it to the internet, just don’t do it.

jowea1y ago· 1 in thread

I was almost starting to think hacking had gotten too professional and commercialized for script kiddies to exist.

accrual1y ago

dang1y ago

Hacked Robot Vacuums Across the U.S. Started Yelling Slurs - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41815055 - Oct 2024 (1 comment)

Robot Vacuums Hacked to Shout Slurs at Their Owners - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41812546 - Oct 2024 (1 comment)

Insecure Deebot robot vacuums collect photos and audio to train AI - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41753983 - Oct 2024 (37 comments)

ABC News hacks into popular robot vacuum, watches owner through camera - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41735871 - Oct 2024 (138 comments)

gnabgib1y ago

Related Insecure Deebot robot vacuums collect photos and audio to train AI (82 points, 15 days ago, 37 comments) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41753983

LinuxBender1y ago

Maybe the fact it shows how these devices can spy might educate people on what IoT's are doing all day every day in their homes and around their kids. Would this be considered hactivism?

I'm half curious if they got some of the idea from Michael Reeves [1].

[1] - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mvz3LRK263E [video][11 mins][language, wear headphones maybe]

dijit1y ago

I’m immediately envisioning the watch dogs 2 “jumper” bot.

https://youtu.be/f5oKFufx2Z0?si=xGMEkAMZRgIqJuH_

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