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>You would rarely find any other nation that where defense tech companies are turned away from job fairs. Kinda ridiculous.

Probably because US MIC is weird political place. On one hand, it's turns out really cool tech and US needs defense. On other hand, who are we defending from and why are spending all this money on world police when we have a ton of internal problems? Throw in some pork barrel in there to add to political stuff.

When people post memes about "You are about to find out why US doesn't have free healthcare." with some overwhelming American firepower equipment in the image, it's not hard to see why a lot of people find it a grey area.

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psunavy031y ago

> On other hand, who are we defending from and why are spending all this money on world police when we have a ton of internal problems?

Because someone has to be this if you want the continuation of the post-WWII rules-based international order that underpins the entire global economy. The Department of Defense and US hegemony are essentially overhead that is the Least Bad Option to stop WWIII from kicking off or the world from fragmenting into spheres of influence (which is starting to happen already). Who else would do this and not screw over everyone else even worse? Russia? China?

walleeee1y ago

You may be correct on at least one point: the DOD may have stepped us all down from WW3 recently, to the chagrin of other elements of the establishment who have gotten used to whispering foreign policy into the relevant ears with no pushback

ngcazz1y ago

We should stop defending an imperialist establishment which relies on the rampant exploitation of the global south and is committing genocide and calling it rules-based order. More like America rules.

The containment rhetoric/logic is long past its use-by date - the US's pretense as guardians of a common moral high ground was shattered at the very latest with the Vietnam War, and in 2024 it is an absolute tragedy of a joke in poor taste.

You gotta think this rules-based order is designed to drive anyone decent crazy. What else can happen when you hear pieces of shit like Blinken wax lyrical about the human rights of Palestinians while supercharging weapons deliveries to Israel, or the very existence of the UNSC veto which will guarantee outcomes that reinforce unforgivable and unforgettable mass crimes, beckoning awful consequences for the whole world.

itsoktocry1y ago

>You gotta think this rules-based order is designed to drive anyone decent crazy.

All complaints, no solutions. Typical.

So who does have the moral high-ground around the globe? It's unbelievable to me how many people think it'd be all peace and harmony if the US disappeared. I can imagine much worse, just by reading a history book.

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mistermann1y ago

Force is only one of many methods to achieve certain outcomes, not all methods that could achieve the same general outcome are known, very little cognitive effort is put into searching for alternatives, leaving few options other than speculation if one is obligated to form a conclusion on the matter.

scottyah1y ago

All deliberate actions to achieve certain outcomes are "force", it is a scale not a binary option.

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butlike1y ago

I think based on your last sentence:

> Who else would do this and not screw over everyone else even worse? Russia? China?

It's important to say which country you're residing in now.

saturn86011y ago

Great. So Americans get to be the suckers propping up the decent lifestyles of the rest of the western world and much of Asia and the ME.

This country has a collapsing middle class, horrendously bad health outcomes, ever increasing amount of corruption and little chance to turn things around because of entrenched interests.

I can just picture the thought process going in your head(and many others) right now. If you hate it so much why dont you leave.

yks1y ago

> Americans get to be the suckers propping up the decent lifestyles of the rest of the western world and much of Asia and the ME

America benefited greatly from this position though, it's just the gains have not been equally distributed, and one can make an argument that Americans simply vote for that outcome. It is very unclear to me how the situation of the middle class in the US becomes any better if the US gives up its leverage for Chinese to dictate the terms. FWIW pre-WW1 the US had even worse inequality while not propping up anyone's lifestyle abroad.

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mega_dean1y ago

> On other hand, who are we defending from and why are spending all this money on world police when we have a ton of internal problems?

Reminds me of this scene in Wag the Dog: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wwgPnYVg74Y

"The war of the future is nuclear terrorism. It is, and it will be against a small group of dissidents who, unbeknownst to perhaps their own governments, have blah blah blah blah blah. And to go to that war, you have to be prepared."

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psunavy031y ago

> On other hand, who are we defending from and why are spending all this money on world police when we have a ton of internal problems?

walleeee1y ago

ngcazz1y ago

itsoktocry1y ago

>You gotta think this rules-based order is designed to drive anyone decent crazy.

All complaints, no solutions. Typical.

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mistermann1y ago

scottyah1y ago

All deliberate actions to achieve certain outcomes are "force", it is a scale not a binary option.

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butlike1y ago

I think based on your last sentence:

> Who else would do this and not screw over everyone else even worse? Russia? China?

It's important to say which country you're residing in now.

saturn86011y ago

Great. So Americans get to be the suckers propping up the decent lifestyles of the rest of the western world and much of Asia and the ME.

This country has a collapsing middle class, horrendously bad health outcomes, ever increasing amount of corruption and little chance to turn things around because of entrenched interests.

I can just picture the thought process going in your head(and many others) right now. If you hate it so much why dont you leave.

yks1y ago

> Americans get to be the suckers propping up the decent lifestyles of the rest of the western world and much of Asia and the ME

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mega_dean1y ago

> On other hand, who are we defending from and why are spending all this money on world police when we have a ton of internal problems?

Reminds me of this scene in Wag the Dog: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wwgPnYVg74Y

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