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0 pointsDer_Einzige1y ago0 comments

You massively overstate the political bias that CNN has. I can find articles that are critical of Biden/harris all day on CNN!

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13868889/cnn-attack...

https://www.cnn.com/2024/09/14/politics/fact-check-harris-ca...

But please, keep lying about how CNN doesn’t criticize Harris/biden! It fits into the destabilizing narrative that “the media” is “corrupt” or “bought and paid for”.

Also, if you want unbiased media, CSPAN is that. No bias except from how the camera is physically pointed into congress. You won’t watch it because it’s too boring and despite all the hatred your profess to have against biased news, the idea of news not as entertainment is alien to you.

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_heimdall1y ago

Arguing that news outlets have a bias does not mean they are 100% biased. You will find examples of articles and segments against Harris on CNN, you will also find articles and segments against Trump on Fox News. It isn't the norm though.

The most telling for me is generally the photos picked by a news outlet. On CNN for example, photos of Harris (and Biden) are almost always picked to show them in a favorable light. They'll be shot standing at a podium with an American flag behind them and a big, natural looking smile on their face. Photos of Trump are from off angles with an angry look on his face, often taken mid speech where a face will look more contorted than when smiling.

Are news outlets 100% biased mouthpieces pieces? Of course not. But they have a strong bias towards one party or the other and they don't try very hard to hide it.

Der_EinzigeOP1y ago

Saying stuff this obvious to debunk it's like AI skeptics saying "AI can't solve X" when it's literally trivial to try their query and then the AI system straight up just solves it.

Let's look at some recent CNN photos of each of them!

https://media.cnn.com/api/v1/images/stellar/prod/gettyimages...

https://media.cnn.com/api/v1/images/stellar/prod/20240921-po...

https://media.cnn.com/api/v1/images/stellar/prod/2024-09-26t...

https://media.cnn.com/api/v1/images/stellar/prod/gettyimages...

https://media.cnn.com/api/v1/images/stellar/prod/20240721-02...

(sources)

https://www.cnn.com/2024/09/27/politics/cnn-poll-harris-trum...

https://www.cnn.com/2024/09/27/politics/harris-southern-bord...

https://www.cnn.com/2024/08/29/media/abc-presidential-debate...

_heimdall1y ago

Two issues with you trying to debunk me here.

First, part of my claim is that you absolutely can find examples where CNN puts Harris or Biden in a bad light. To properly debunk me you would need an analysis of how frequently they show either party candidate in a good vs. bad light.

Second, and more importantly, you're trying to debunk what I clearly stated as my experience of viewing CNN. I didn't claim it to be a universal truth, only a pattern I have noticed when I have taken the time to browse CNN's site.

Debunking is useful when someone is proposing an argument as a scientific, or logically based, argument. Its pretty useless when the statement is only based on personal, anecdotal experience.

sutra_on1y ago

Are you saying that if I don't enjoy watching live video of e.g. an anthill 24/7 then I am actually not interested in unbiased media and crave drivel like CNN? That's... one way to reason I guess.

Der_EinzigeOP1y ago

The better analogy would be "If I don't enjoy watching a live video of an anthill 24/7 than I am actually not interested in studying or learning about ants".

To which my response is "those who don't do, teach" and to point you to in-fact, do your ant observational studies anyway (i.e. watch CSPAN) because it really, really is the only way to stop seeing quite as many shadows on the wall and see a tiny glimpse of how politics actually works.

Seriously, most of the folks making real discovery today in some animal studies field is doing it from long periods of observational studies in the field. Books from academics are so full of lies due to publish or perish, academic careerism, widespread, systemic, structural, and at the highest levels academic fraud/dishonesty, and more.

Watch CSPAN, or you will be lied to. Sorry not sorry that it's boring as shit. That's the reality of politics, it's mostly boring.

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_heimdall1y ago

Are news outlets 100% biased mouthpieces pieces? Of course not. But they have a strong bias towards one party or the other and they don't try very hard to hide it.

Der_EinzigeOP1y ago

Saying stuff this obvious to debunk it's like AI skeptics saying "AI can't solve X" when it's literally trivial to try their query and then the AI system straight up just solves it.

Let's look at some recent CNN photos of each of them!

https://media.cnn.com/api/v1/images/stellar/prod/gettyimages...

https://media.cnn.com/api/v1/images/stellar/prod/20240921-po...

https://media.cnn.com/api/v1/images/stellar/prod/2024-09-26t...

https://media.cnn.com/api/v1/images/stellar/prod/gettyimages...

https://media.cnn.com/api/v1/images/stellar/prod/20240721-02...

(sources)

https://www.cnn.com/2024/09/27/politics/cnn-poll-harris-trum...

https://www.cnn.com/2024/09/27/politics/harris-southern-bord...

https://www.cnn.com/2024/08/29/media/abc-presidential-debate...

_heimdall1y ago

Two issues with you trying to debunk me here.

Debunking is useful when someone is proposing an argument as a scientific, or logically based, argument. Its pretty useless when the statement is only based on personal, anecdotal experience.

sutra_on1y ago

Are you saying that if I don't enjoy watching live video of e.g. an anthill 24/7 then I am actually not interested in unbiased media and crave drivel like CNN? That's... one way to reason I guess.

Der_EinzigeOP1y ago

The better analogy would be "If I don't enjoy watching a live video of an anthill 24/7 than I am actually not interested in studying or learning about ants".

Watch CSPAN, or you will be lied to. Sorry not sorry that it's boring as shit. That's the reality of politics, it's mostly boring.

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