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0 pointsthrowaway0123_51y ago0 comments

> the book could be written by a human.

I don't understand why so many people in these discussions are so keen to ignore the impact of scale and accessibility when it comes to new technology, and specifically this new technology. Yes, most dangerous things that can be done with AI can also be done by humans.

Is it not meaningful that these dangerous things can now be done far more cost effectively? It would've made no financial sense in the past to spend hours/days creating a fake mushroom identification book. You'd almost certainly never get enough sales to make it worth it, especially once people realized your book was nonsense and potentially dangerous (getting you delisted, as it seems like the seller did with this book). Now you can just ask an AI to "generate 100 book ideas, scripts, and images." Who cares if almost all of them make very little money when the time and $ cost to creating them is near zero (it looks like this book was physical but especially for digital books, videos, etc.).

Is it not meaningful that dangerous things can now be done (or may soon be able to be done) by more people with less skill? The time/money investment required to learn skills with the potential for destructive use is IMO a strong filter against the people who would do those destructive things in the first place.

OpenAI and I think Google have talked about making intelligence "too cheap to meter." I'm not sure that is a good thing. I could be convinced, but every poorly thought out dismissal of AI dangers only makes me increasingly sure that we aren't ready for it.

For those who are less concerned about AI dangers, consider maybe that premature reckless deployment of AI also has serious potential for generating social backlash that might end up slowing or halting the adoption of AI for positive purposes. The average non-tech person I know thinks of AI as a useful improvement over Google, and maybe thinks AI generated images are cool, but they aren't in love with it. It could disappear tomorrow and they'd shrug. In fact, public sentiment against AI (in the US) seems to be rapidly increasing, and is bipartisan [1]. If the promise of AGI is achieved this will go into overdrive should (when?) mass-unemployment happens. Look how far right-wing politicians are able to go by drumming up fears about immigrants stealing jobs.

https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2023/11/21/what-the-...

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emporas1y ago· 1 in thread

> Is it not meaningful that these dangerous things can now be done far more cost effectively?

It is meaningful. Humans can publish 10 books with 10 mistakes inside, A.I. can publish a trillion books with countless mistakes. Radically different scale.

Imagine this: A writer after he finishes writing a book, he goes to a government office, and stamps electronically the hash signature of the book as "Human Approved". Then anyone can search the Book stamp in an internet database. Everything else is labeled as A.I.

Is it so difficult for a government to use a software like that? How about an open source software? (It doesn't exist, but it could be implemented by some people.)

> In fact, public sentiment against AI (in the US) seems to be rapidly increasing, and is bipartisan

That cannot be true. A massive poll of at least 10.000 people could demolish that myth. The poll should be organized by the age of participants, rather than political parties. Candidate ages are, 18-30 years old, 30-60, and 60-Rest.

Ages 18-30 will be 80% in favor of A.I.

throwaway0123_5OP1y ago

> A writer after he finishes writing a book, he goes to a government office, and stamps electronically the hash signature of the book as "Human Approved". Then anyone can search the Book stamp in an internet database. Everything else is labeled as A.I.

Not sure what the point of this would be, the government worker will almost certainly have no ability to verify that the books people bring in weren't written with AI.

> That cannot be true. A massive poll of at least 10.000 people could demolish that myth.

The third link in the pew article I provided has some methodological details:

"Pew Research Center conducted this study to understand attitudes about artificial intelligence and its uses. For this analysis, we surveyed 11,201 U.S. adults from July 31 to Aug. 6, 2023."

> organized by the age of participants

I agree this would interesting. I found a smaller survey (n=1500) that suggests while young people are less anti-AI than older people, they are still heavily anti-AI [1]. Only 20% of Gen-Z states they're "excited about AI," while 29% say they're skeptical and 18% say they don't trust it. This meshes with my experience; even among colleagues that use and/or research AI they're nervous about the impact it'll have on society.

> Ages 18-30 will be 80% in favor of A.I.

I'm curious why you would assume this. In scenarios where AI causes major job loss, young people have by far the most to lose, as they haven't had nearly as much time to build up resources and acquire property.

[1]: https://www.barna.com/research/generations-ai/

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