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0 pointsJimDabell1y ago0 comments

> I agree that it's not agile, it's the environment that led to agile/scrum being adopted: not that it leads to better products, but that it gives management more control over every decision of how time is spent. essentially they can arbitrarily reduce the time/budget you have, and hire standard code monkeys, etc, to get something made.

This is the exact opposite of agile. Direct from the Agile Manifesto:

> Build projects around motivated individuals. Give them the environment and support they need, and trust them to get the job done.

> Agile processes promote sustainable development. The sponsors, developers, and users should be able to maintain a constant pace indefinitely.

> The best architectures, requirements, and designs emerge from self-organizing teams.

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Viliam12341y ago

Perhaps the problem is that there are few self-organizing teams in companies. Managers needs to justify their salaries.

exe341y ago

may I refer you to Karl Marx? Communism is perfect, it's just been implemented wrong.

pixelready1y ago

I’m not sure if you meant this to be sarcastic but I think you’re on to something. In both cases: a rebellion against a soul crushing authoritarian system by writing a manifesto describing a decentralized utopia… which then gets implemented in an authoritarian context and undermined along the way until all that remains is the name and some window dressing from the manifesto. Orwell’s Animal Farm still resonates because of this.

JimDabellOP1y ago

If somebody says “be agile; do A, B, and C for better software engineering”, and you do not A, not B, and not C then complain about how terrible agile is, the problem is not with agile. You did something different to agile and got different results, so why are you blaming agile for your own failure?

It is, in fact, possible to implement agile wrong – by doing the exact opposite of agile. This is not a rhetorical trick you are catching people out on.

exe341y ago

If somebody says “be communist; do A, B, and C for better society”, and you do not A, not B, and not C then complain about how terrible communism is, the problem is not with communism. You did something different to communism and got different results, so why are you blaming communism for your own failure? It is, in fact, possible to implement communism wrong – by doing the exact opposite of communism. This is not a rhetorical trick you are catching people out on

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Viliam12341y ago

Perhaps the problem is that there are few self-organizing teams in companies. Managers needs to justify their salaries.

exe341y ago

may I refer you to Karl Marx? Communism is perfect, it's just been implemented wrong.

pixelready1y ago

JimDabellOP1y ago

It is, in fact, possible to implement agile wrong – by doing the exact opposite of agile. This is not a rhetorical trick you are catching people out on.

exe341y ago

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