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0 pointsjtbayly1y ago0 comments

Is that why the average suicide rate is lower in majority Muslim countries? Awareness presumably increases suicide?

I know you were implying the opposite, but how many suicides are you going to prevent by making Malaysia’s rate (6/100k) similar to the US (14/100k)?

These are generalized rates, of course, but in point of fact, your claim is not substantiated by any real data.

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qwytw1y ago

> Is that why the average suicide rate is lower in majority Muslim countries? Awareness presumably increases suicide?

Either you think that the majority of the population in Malaysia or the US identify identify as LGBT+ or you're really struggling with basic statistics and reasoning.

> prevent by making Malaysia’s rate (6/100k) similar to the US (14/100k)?

Presumably the idea would be to reduce it to some number lower than 6. Or do you believe the majority of people in the US are killing themselves because of "Awareness and acceptance on LGBT matters"?

jtbaylyOP1y ago

As I said, “These are generalized rates, of course”

If the idea is to reduce it below 6 by preventing a few suicides per year (which is not likely), how confident are you that destroying the culture of the nation in the process will not cause the number to rise to 14?

mthoms1y ago

You're unaware of data to support the claim that social acceptance of LGBTQ people (particularly children) lowers their suicide rates? Really? This fact is well established and also makes perfect sense logically speaking.

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1002/ajcp.12553

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S027795362...

https://www.thetrevorproject.org/survey-2022/#support-youth

There's plenty more if you care to just Google it.

The rest of your comment is ridiculous because obviously there is more than one contributing factor to suicide. Including (perhaps) latitude.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9822839/

jtbaylyOP1y ago

I’ve done much more than randomly Google it.

I’ve read about it in depth.

Encouraging people to be LGBT has resulted in massive increases in number of people claiming to be trans, for example. Assuming they have the “best” case scenario of an affirming home, apparently 14% attempt suicide, according to your third link.

Now let me ask you, how many people have we killed by “affirming” these things to the point that it’s actually cool to be trans in most schools?

We’re driving up the denominator on the highest risk category for suicide while pretending that that very thing will reduce suicide.

mthoms1y ago

It's so typical of people like you to disingenuously make a broad claim about LGBTQ folks and then when questioned, narrow the scope to just trans people because it's (presumably) an easier argument. Let me remind you: *you* replied to the claim "awareness and acceptance on LGBT matters can have a big impact on suicide rates" with this nonsense:

>in point of fact, your claim is not substantiated by any real data.

I have provided data. You just avoided commenting on it entirely and responded with a theoretical, opinionated "question". The reason is obvious to any reader: You're wrong. Otherwise, where is your data!?

Anyways... science aside... it's not even like this is a controversial idea. You're actually challenging the idea that people feel better about their lives when they feel supported. Really? What a weird thing to suggest. There's a reason people like you get downvoted (or "censored" as you put it). It's because you don't engage honestly. You aren't driven by science but ideology and no amount of data will change your mind.

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qwytw1y ago

> Is that why the average suicide rate is lower in majority Muslim countries? Awareness presumably increases suicide?

Either you think that the majority of the population in Malaysia or the US identify identify as LGBT+ or you're really struggling with basic statistics and reasoning.

> prevent by making Malaysia’s rate (6/100k) similar to the US (14/100k)?

Presumably the idea would be to reduce it to some number lower than 6. Or do you believe the majority of people in the US are killing themselves because of "Awareness and acceptance on LGBT matters"?

jtbaylyOP1y ago

As I said, “These are generalized rates, of course”

mthoms1y ago

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1002/ajcp.12553

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S027795362...

https://www.thetrevorproject.org/survey-2022/#support-youth

There's plenty more if you care to just Google it.

The rest of your comment is ridiculous because obviously there is more than one contributing factor to suicide. Including (perhaps) latitude.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9822839/

jtbaylyOP1y ago

I’ve done much more than randomly Google it.

I’ve read about it in depth.

Now let me ask you, how many people have we killed by “affirming” these things to the point that it’s actually cool to be trans in most schools?

We’re driving up the denominator on the highest risk category for suicide while pretending that that very thing will reduce suicide.

mthoms1y ago

>in point of fact, your claim is not substantiated by any real data.

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