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Which rich cross-platform GUI frameworks are you talking about?

Win32? Silverlight/Blend? XAML? MAUI? They're all windows only.

Gtk? Qt? Sure, they exist, but they're ancient and limited to long outdated paradigms.

I don't know if you can get QtQuick with KDE Kirigami to work on .NET, otherwise that might be one option.

Kotlin Multiplatform is btw a solution for building the same code for kotlin native, JVM and web to target all the OSes at the same time.

While Jetpack Compose is the Android Version of Compose, Compose Multiplatform is Compose for Kotlin Multiplatform.

> subject to the quirks and specifics of JVM implementations, build-systems and package management

That's a massive advantage over the arcane package management and build systems of .NET

Very few languages ever achieve a build and package management system as mature and usable as the Java ecosystem.

I've been waiting for 12 years for .NET to match Java's ecosystem, and it's still not there yet.

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hermitdev1y ago· 3 in thread

> Which rich cross-platform GUI frameworks are you talking about? > Win32? Silverlight/Blend? XAML? MAUI? They're all windows only.

MAUI is not windows only. I have a MAUI app on my android phone. Cross-platform? yes. Rich? Now, I wouldn't call it that.

kuschkuOP1y ago

> NET Multi-platform App UI (.NET MAUI) apps can be written for the following platforms:

> - Android 5.0 (API 21) or higher is required.

> - iOS 11 or higher is required

> - macOS 11 or higher, using Mac Catalyst.

> - Windows 11 and Windows 10 version 1809 or higher, using Windows UI Library (WinUI) 3.

Okay, where's Linux? That's what Mono was originally made for and where Mono really shines.

Also, the development experience isn't great either:

> - If you are working on Linux, you can build and deploy Android apps only

> - You need a valid Visual Studio or IntelliCode subscription

The getting started guide only exists for Windows and macOS and the forum post announcing experimental Linux support is full of caveats.

I don't think you and I would agree on what "cross-platform" means, especially in the context of Mono being donated to Wine, which is a heavily linux-centric discussion topic.

neonsunset1y ago

> - If you are working on Linux, you can build and deploy Android apps only

> - You need a valid Visual Studio or IntelliCode subscription

You don't: https://marketplace.visualstudio.com/items?itemName=ms-dotne... (DevKit, which is the licensed one, is completely optional - it gives you VS-style solution explorer. You can already get it with e.g. F#'s Ionide that works for any .NET file in the solution, though I use neither)

Or https://github.com/razzmatazz/csharp-language-server with either Neovim or Emacs.

> Okay, where's Linux? That's what Mono was originally made for and where Mono really shines.

Regretfully, you have not read the rest of the discussion that talks about this a lot, so here it goes:

Uno: https://platform.uno/docs/articles/get-started-vscode.html?t...

(Uno has more involved setup and build than Avalonia but has way better mobile targeting, and casual reports indicate smaller memory footprint)

Avalonia: https://avaloniaui.net + https://marketplace.visualstudio.com/items?itemName=Avalonia...

    dotnet new --install Avalonia.Templates
    dotnet new avalonia.app
    dotnet run

(can also do F# and Elmish F# with FuncUI, and native binary build with 'dotnet publish -p:PublishAot=true' without additional config)

Gir.Core (GTK4 and co., successor to GTK#): https://gircore.github.io/docs/use.html

ImGui with Silk.NET: https://github.com/dotnet/Silk.NET/blob/main/examples/CSharp...

kuschkuOP1y ago

> You don't

Well, those sentences were quoted from Microsoft's own documentation...

Sure, you've shown that some tooling exists, but it's sadly not easy to discover or as well supported

neonsunset1y ago

There are more than 10 sibling and gp comments that exhaustively address the GUI and other questions :)

> That's a massive advantage over the arcane package management and build systems of .NET. Very few languages ever achieve a build and package management system as mature and usable as the Java ecosystem. I've been waiting for 12 years for .NET to match Java's ecosystem, and it's still not there yet.

If you want to sell me on "advantages" of invoking Gradle or Maven over

    dotnet new web
    dotnet run
    curl localhost:port

    dotnet new console --aot
    echo 'Console.WriteLine($"Right now is {DateTime.Now}");' > Program.cs
    dotnet publish -o {here goes the executable}

    dotnet add package {my favourite package}

I suppose you would actually need 12 years of improvements given how slow if ever these things get resolved in Java land.

Also, what's up with Oracle suing companies for using incorrect JDK distribution that happens to come with hidden license strings attached?

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hermitdev1y ago· 3 in thread

> Which rich cross-platform GUI frameworks are you talking about? > Win32? Silverlight/Blend? XAML? MAUI? They're all windows only.

MAUI is not windows only. I have a MAUI app on my android phone. Cross-platform? yes. Rich? Now, I wouldn't call it that.

kuschkuOP1y ago

> NET Multi-platform App UI (.NET MAUI) apps can be written for the following platforms:

> - Android 5.0 (API 21) or higher is required.

> - iOS 11 or higher is required

> - macOS 11 or higher, using Mac Catalyst.

> - Windows 11 and Windows 10 version 1809 or higher, using Windows UI Library (WinUI) 3.

Okay, where's Linux? That's what Mono was originally made for and where Mono really shines.

Also, the development experience isn't great either:

> - If you are working on Linux, you can build and deploy Android apps only

> - You need a valid Visual Studio or IntelliCode subscription

The getting started guide only exists for Windows and macOS and the forum post announcing experimental Linux support is full of caveats.

I don't think you and I would agree on what "cross-platform" means, especially in the context of Mono being donated to Wine, which is a heavily linux-centric discussion topic.

neonsunset1y ago

> - If you are working on Linux, you can build and deploy Android apps only

> - You need a valid Visual Studio or IntelliCode subscription

Or https://github.com/razzmatazz/csharp-language-server with either Neovim or Emacs.

> Okay, where's Linux? That's what Mono was originally made for and where Mono really shines.

Regretfully, you have not read the rest of the discussion that talks about this a lot, so here it goes:

Uno: https://platform.uno/docs/articles/get-started-vscode.html?t...

(Uno has more involved setup and build than Avalonia but has way better mobile targeting, and casual reports indicate smaller memory footprint)

Avalonia: https://avaloniaui.net + https://marketplace.visualstudio.com/items?itemName=Avalonia...

    dotnet new --install Avalonia.Templates
    dotnet new avalonia.app
    dotnet run

(can also do F# and Elmish F# with FuncUI, and native binary build with 'dotnet publish -p:PublishAot=true' without additional config)

Gir.Core (GTK4 and co., successor to GTK#): https://gircore.github.io/docs/use.html

ImGui with Silk.NET: https://github.com/dotnet/Silk.NET/blob/main/examples/CSharp...

kuschkuOP1y ago

> You don't

Well, those sentences were quoted from Microsoft's own documentation...

Sure, you've shown that some tooling exists, but it's sadly not easy to discover or as well supported

neonsunset1y ago

There are more than 10 sibling and gp comments that exhaustively address the GUI and other questions :)

If you want to sell me on "advantages" of invoking Gradle or Maven over

    dotnet new web
    dotnet run
    curl localhost:port

    dotnet new console --aot
    echo 'Console.WriteLine($"Right now is {DateTime.Now}");' > Program.cs
    dotnet publish -o {here goes the executable}

    dotnet add package {my favourite package}

I suppose you would actually need 12 years of improvements given how slow if ever these things get resolved in Java land.

Also, what's up with Oracle suing companies for using incorrect JDK distribution that happens to come with hidden license strings attached?

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