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0 pointsrafram1y ago0 comments

That isn’t applicable here. Telegram isn’t encrypted and yet they refused to comply with subpoenas. Companies whose customer data is encrypted can truthfully say that they have no way to access it for law enforcement. Telegram can’t.

Maybe in the future, creators of encrypted messaging apps will get locked up. I certainly hope not. But this case doesn’t indicate anything one way or another.

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mandmandam1y ago

> Companies whose customer data is encrypted can truthfully say that they have no way to access it for law enforcement. Telegram can’t.

I dunno man, kinda seems like you ought to either have a right to privacy or not. Surely there's other ways to make a case, without extraordinarily abusable legal strong-arming.

Why should a wealthy person be able to legally afford encrypted communication on a secure device, when 90+% of people can't because they're poor and tech illiterate?

Does our historically unequal society need more information and rights asymmetry between rich and poor? Between privileged and marginalized?

raframOP1y ago

Downloading Signal is just as easy as downloading Telegram.

mandmandam1y ago

As I said, tech illiterate - or as likely, legally illiterate.

It's unreasonable to expect most people to intuit the distinction you describe.

However, you don't see wealthy people communicating on insecure devices, because they have people to take care of that stuff.

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0 pointsrafram1y ago0 comments

Maybe in the future, creators of encrypted messaging apps will get locked up. I certainly hope not. But this case doesn’t indicate anything one way or another.

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mandmandam1y ago

> Companies whose customer data is encrypted can truthfully say that they have no way to access it for law enforcement. Telegram can’t.

I dunno man, kinda seems like you ought to either have a right to privacy or not. Surely there's other ways to make a case, without extraordinarily abusable legal strong-arming.

Why should a wealthy person be able to legally afford encrypted communication on a secure device, when 90+% of people can't because they're poor and tech illiterate?

Does our historically unequal society need more information and rights asymmetry between rich and poor? Between privileged and marginalized?

raframOP1y ago

Downloading Signal is just as easy as downloading Telegram.

mandmandam1y ago

As I said, tech illiterate - or as likely, legally illiterate.

It's unreasonable to expect most people to intuit the distinction you describe.

However, you don't see wealthy people communicating on insecure devices, because they have people to take care of that stuff.

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