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0 pointslexlash1y ago0 comments

I'm not sure what you mean by "junior" here.

L3 is early career, L4 is mid-career, L5 is senior. You can hit L5 on the strength of pure technical contributions regardless of business/org needs, usually.

L6+ is staff, and tends to involve a very different skillset. (If you're not looking to lead a team, you're probably not going to have the kind of impact that gets you to L6, let alone L7 or higher at Google.)

This is all to say that ICs in the L3/L4/L5 bucket generally show a clear progression in technical skills but beyond that it's fuzzier.

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cperciva1y ago

My definitions are basically: Junior developers need supervision because left to their own devices they'll screw things up horribly; normal developers can produce good code independently; and Senior developers are able to catch the mistakes the Junior developers are making and set them on the right path.

lexlashOP1y ago

I see; that's L3, L4, and L5 progression in a nutshell at Google - although leaving L3s alone doesn't _guarantee_ something will go wrong, it was more that there was no way for them to figure out optimal solutions without help thanks to the sheer complexity of Google.

I'd say the same held true at Amazon but I was in groups which were, at the time, at the periphery of the company's engineering efforts - we didn't have any associated principals to talk to, and maybe one SDE3/L6 to 10 SDE2/L5s mixed with SDE1/L4s.

underdeserver1y ago

I would say* under these definitions L3 is junior; what the industry calls senior is somewhere between L4 and L5. L5s at Google are expected to mentor L3s and L4s but also to design systems, break down into tasks, and coordinate tasks between teams and engineers.

If you were a senior engineer at a 50-person startup you would commonly get hired at L4.

* I left Google 18 months ago; also, Google is a large company, and while they strive for uniformity across teams, the levels aren't really quite the same company-wide.

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