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0 pointsorisho1y ago0 comments

The alternative is making it possible for developers to only think about code, not permissions, or at least specify the permissions in terms of what you want to do, not what permissions you need. Think iOS, you write "I need fine grained location access" into the manifest, you don't configure the permission system to allow you to call the API.

Another poster touched on another important point: it's important for this to be changeable independent of the code. The reason for this is actually kind of subtle. Obviously, you don't wanna have to need to rebuild in order to regenerate permissions. But the real reason, imo, is that it should be easy to parse for a human, easy to locate for a human, and also easy to parse and adjust for a machine, that might determine a permission is no longer necessary, or who is trying to build a dependency graph in order to determine who to wake up during an incident. That means it should go into configuration that is versioned and deployed alongside the code, but not in the code.

If you make this hard to understand and change, people will just copy it, and the you're back to square one. It's gotta be the easiest thing to do the right thing, because at scale, people are gonna do the easiest thing.

I feel like I'm kinda going on at length about this, so instead I'm gonna leave you with a link to a blog I wrote about the same concepts, if you wanna read more. It's about Kubernetes network policies, but really the same concepts apply to all kinds of access.

https://otterize.com/blog/network-policies-are-not-the-right...

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jcusch1y ago

How you're describing iOS is similar to how nitric works. Developers indicate in code "I'm reading from this bucket", it's a request not an order, they're not actually configuring the permissions system. That request is collected into a graph of other requests (for resources, permissions, etc.) and passed via an API to a provider to fulfill.

If you want to change what "read" means you're free to do that in the provider without changing a single line of application code. But you also get the benefit on the Ops side of not needing to read the application code to try and figure out what permissions it needs to work, that part it generated so you can't miss anything.

If you want to output Terraform or config files or something else like you do today, to enable audits and keep it alongside the code, you can do that easily.