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0 pointshpen1y ago0 comments

No. My point is that Microsoft allows the damn thing to be ran in kernel space. Mac, linux don't have this problem due to how THEY architected the system. Yes I think that puts Microsoft at blame.

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Bjartr1y ago

> linux don't have this problem due to how THEY architected the system

This is incorrect. CrowdStrike caused a similar "won't boot after update was pushed" issue on Linux earlier this year, see https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41005936

vel0city1y ago

> Microsoft allows

Microsoft should have no say to decide what software I am allowed to run on my computer.

> Mac, linux don't have this problem due to how THEY architected the system.

You're joking right? You're arguing kernel panics can't happen on Linux? FFS, the CrowdStrike sensor caused kernel panics on multiple Linux distros in the last few months! Linux is not immune to kernel panics for buggy kernel modules.

hpenOP1y ago

The first point is pretty philosophical so I'm not gonna go far into that. At the end of the day you bought a product from a company, some of those products have a way to load programs on and some are locked down (a microwave). "should" is pretty biased whether I agree with that conclusion or not.

Two: Here I'm not arguing about what's possible but rather what happened in the real world. 8.5 M machines down, my org runs Macs, we knew about it from the news...

vel0city1y ago

You're arguing for a microwave that would only allow you to put in foods approved by the manufacturer in it.

And yes, in the real-world, third-party software can and does cause Macs to crash.

8.5M machines...out of what, 1.4 billion? That's what, 0.6% of machines?

hpenOP1y ago

No smarty pants, I'm arguing that you can't load a program on a microwave's microprocessor. Should I be able to do that?

"And yes, in the real-world, third-party software can and does cause Macs to crash." Thanks for adding so much to the conversation (eyes rolled).

In the absolute sense 8.5M machines is a lot. Airlines down is a lot. Hospitals down is a lot. Hey we guarantee we won't wreck 99.4% of our machines out there! is not a good guarantee.

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Bjartr1y ago

> linux don't have this problem due to how THEY architected the system

This is incorrect. CrowdStrike caused a similar "won't boot after update was pushed" issue on Linux earlier this year, see https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41005936

vel0city1y ago

> Microsoft allows

Microsoft should have no say to decide what software I am allowed to run on my computer.

> Mac, linux don't have this problem due to how THEY architected the system.

hpenOP1y ago

Two: Here I'm not arguing about what's possible but rather what happened in the real world. 8.5 M machines down, my org runs Macs, we knew about it from the news...

vel0city1y ago

You're arguing for a microwave that would only allow you to put in foods approved by the manufacturer in it.

And yes, in the real-world, third-party software can and does cause Macs to crash.

8.5M machines...out of what, 1.4 billion? That's what, 0.6% of machines?

hpenOP1y ago

No smarty pants, I'm arguing that you can't load a program on a microwave's microprocessor. Should I be able to do that?

"And yes, in the real-world, third-party software can and does cause Macs to crash." Thanks for adding so much to the conversation (eyes rolled).

In the absolute sense 8.5M machines is a lot. Airlines down is a lot. Hospitals down is a lot. Hey we guarantee we won't wreck 99.4% of our machines out there! is not a good guarantee.

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