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0 pointschatmasta1y ago0 comments

Microsoft is invested in OpenAI. Have they released any open weight models themselves?

Apple is similarly partnering with OpenAI.

Google has released nerfed versions of its Gemini models (Gemma 2B and Gemma 7B).

It seems the only company truly setting an example for open weights is Meta. Hopefully the other companies realize that it’s in their best interest to do the same (as it seems Google is begrudgingly realizing with its nerfed releases).

Eventually open weights will win, and if OpenAI (the most ironically named company) continues to rely on closed models as its moat, it will lose.

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kkielhofner1y ago

“AI” is much more than LLMs…

Not only have all three of these companies released LLM model weights, Google and Microsoft especially have released nearly countless model architectures, weights, evaluation/training/inference/etc frameworks, toolkits, etc across an extremely wide spectrum.

rvnx1y ago

They mainly offer open tooling to help you adopt their closed-source tech (e.g. RAG frameworks) but you don't get the freedom to do what you want with the model (which is the core).

At some point, these big companies may even want to put more regulation or restrictions on their open-weights / open-source competitors. "Hey this is not validated for safety, you can use only Gemini"

talldayo1y ago

They don't? Microsoft and Google both promote Open Source inferencing frameworks, and while both also have proprietary products I think it's completely dishonest to say they "mainly" support them. ONNX and Tensorflow have been supported longer and more productively than any of the closed-source AI frameworks Google or Microsoft offer.

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roywiggins1y ago

> Microsoft is invested in OpenAI. Have they released any open weight models themselves?

Phi-3?

https://azure.microsoft.com/en-us/products/phi-3

lsaferite1y ago

> Microsoft is invested in OpenAI. Have they released any open weight models themselves?

Do the Phi series models not count?

chatmastaOP1y ago

Sure they do. I was genuinely asking.

Onawa1y ago

Well then yes, I would definitely say Phi. And on top of that Microsoft has been releasing a ton of the tooling surrounding LLMs and AI as well, including Semantic Kernel.

apwell231y ago

> Apple is similarly partnering with OpenAI.

I think this is too generous of an interpretation for their deal.

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0 pointschatmasta1y ago0 comments

Microsoft is invested in OpenAI. Have they released any open weight models themselves?

Apple is similarly partnering with OpenAI.

Google has released nerfed versions of its Gemini models (Gemma 2B and Gemma 7B).

Eventually open weights will win, and if OpenAI (the most ironically named company) continues to rely on closed models as its moat, it will lose.

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kkielhofner1y ago

“AI” is much more than LLMs…

rvnx1y ago

They mainly offer open tooling to help you adopt their closed-source tech (e.g. RAG frameworks) but you don't get the freedom to do what you want with the model (which is the core).

talldayo1y ago

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roywiggins1y ago

> Microsoft is invested in OpenAI. Have they released any open weight models themselves?

Phi-3?

https://azure.microsoft.com/en-us/products/phi-3

lsaferite1y ago

> Microsoft is invested in OpenAI. Have they released any open weight models themselves?

Do the Phi series models not count?

chatmastaOP1y ago

Sure they do. I was genuinely asking.

Onawa1y ago

Well then yes, I would definitely say Phi. And on top of that Microsoft has been releasing a ton of the tooling surrounding LLMs and AI as well, including Semantic Kernel.

apwell231y ago

> Apple is similarly partnering with OpenAI.

I think this is too generous of an interpretation for their deal.

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