Ukraine Hacks ATMs Across Russia in Ongoing Cyberattack (opens in new tab)

(kyivpost.com)

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I think that if civilized people keep tolerating and normalizing warfare long enough then it eventually catches up with them in their own country.

Exactly what you are supposed to do to stop it, I am not sure. But just complete acceptance or even enthusiasm for warfare is not a safe or necessarily sane response.

I also think that part of this is that people latch on to simplified one-sided fairy tale explanations of conflicts.

Doxin1y ago

> I also think that part of this is that people latch on to simplified one-sided fairy tale explanations of conflicts.

To be fair the whole Russia-Ukrain conflict boils down to "Russia taking shit that's not theirs". Pretty easy to take sides there.

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jncfhnb1y ago

I’m guessing the scale of this isn’t as large as the article implies but I suppose we’ll see

It’s been sort of reassuring to see how absolutely minimal of an effect Russian hackers have had on Ukraine these past years

dralley1y ago

It's minimal at the macro scale but pretty significant at the micro scale.

e.g. things like https://www.wired.com/story/russia-ukraine-frostygoop-malwar...

and

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015_Ukraine_power_grid_hack

It could certainly be worse. But the thing is, Russia has so many options for inflicting physical damage that the cyberattacks are relatively less important.

jncfhnb1y ago

I don’t really agree. These things are extremely small. An outage for 1-6 hours is negligible. Russia has failed all of its strategic objectives including an effort to maim Ukrainian power infrastructure.

I wouldn’t have been totally surprised if Russian cyber attacks were genuinely capable of disabling large parts of critical networks. But I’m glad to see they’re not.

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ilaksh1y ago

I think that if civilized people keep tolerating and normalizing warfare long enough then it eventually catches up with them in their own country.

Exactly what you are supposed to do to stop it, I am not sure. But just complete acceptance or even enthusiasm for warfare is not a safe or necessarily sane response.

I also think that part of this is that people latch on to simplified one-sided fairy tale explanations of conflicts.

Doxin1y ago

> I also think that part of this is that people latch on to simplified one-sided fairy tale explanations of conflicts.

To be fair the whole Russia-Ukrain conflict boils down to "Russia taking shit that's not theirs". Pretty easy to take sides there.

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jncfhnb1y ago

I’m guessing the scale of this isn’t as large as the article implies but I suppose we’ll see

It’s been sort of reassuring to see how absolutely minimal of an effect Russian hackers have had on Ukraine these past years

dralley1y ago

It's minimal at the macro scale but pretty significant at the micro scale.

e.g. things like https://www.wired.com/story/russia-ukraine-frostygoop-malwar...

and

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015_Ukraine_power_grid_hack

It could certainly be worse. But the thing is, Russia has so many options for inflicting physical damage that the cyberattacks are relatively less important.

jncfhnb1y ago

I wouldn’t have been totally surprised if Russian cyber attacks were genuinely capable of disabling large parts of critical networks. But I’m glad to see they’re not.

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