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0 pointsodo12421y ago0 comments

As a person who did study statistics, they found absolutely nothing useful, for the most part, if what you say is correct.

(Basically, everything they found can be attributed to random chance, and there’s no proof their game is anything special compared to other games)

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ProjectArcturis1y ago

Did we read the same thing? "The primary endpoint was achieved, mean change from baseline on the TOVA API was 0.93 in the EndeavorRx group versus 0.03 in the control group (p=0.006). "

diob1y ago

I couldn't find anything incredibly definitive on TOVA, but based on https://www.queensu.ca/rarc/sites/rarcwww/files/uploaded_fil... it does seem incredibly useless / statistically insignificant.

romwell1y ago

From their own description, it has absolutely nothing to do with ADHD.

As in: there's not even a claim it correlates with how strongly people experience ADHD symptoms.

romwell1y ago

I'm sorry, but have you looked at the TOVA API[1]?

I have.

Put simply, it's bullshit — and one that doesn't even purport to measure ADHD (which, indeed, is not something one could measure on a linear scale).

It has nothing to do with how we experience ADHD symptoms and traits.

It does, however, look like something one could train for by... playing videogames.

Surprise, playing videogames makes one statistically better at videogames! Now pay me.

Disclaimer: I have ADHD, and have written a small wiki about it, which quite a few folks with ADHD have found useful:

https://romankogan.net/adhd

The same remains to be said of the product we're discussing.

[1] https://tovatest.com/how-tova-works/

viraptor1y ago

You created that one? Thank you, it's amazing and painfully true.

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ProjectArcturis1y ago

Did we read the same thing? "The primary endpoint was achieved, mean change from baseline on the TOVA API was 0.93 in the EndeavorRx group versus 0.03 in the control group (p=0.006). "

diob1y ago

I couldn't find anything incredibly definitive on TOVA, but based on https://www.queensu.ca/rarc/sites/rarcwww/files/uploaded_fil... it does seem incredibly useless / statistically insignificant.

romwell1y ago

From their own description, it has absolutely nothing to do with ADHD.

As in: there's not even a claim it correlates with how strongly people experience ADHD symptoms.

romwell1y ago

I'm sorry, but have you looked at the TOVA API[1]?

I have.

Put simply, it's bullshit — and one that doesn't even purport to measure ADHD (which, indeed, is not something one could measure on a linear scale).

It has nothing to do with how we experience ADHD symptoms and traits.

It does, however, look like something one could train for by... playing videogames.

Surprise, playing videogames makes one statistically better at videogames! Now pay me.

Disclaimer: I have ADHD, and have written a small wiki about it, which quite a few folks with ADHD have found useful:

https://romankogan.net/adhd

The same remains to be said of the product we're discussing.

[1] https://tovatest.com/how-tova-works/

viraptor1y ago

You created that one? Thank you, it's amazing and painfully true.

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