I suspect even the vast majority of decision makers in the US government wouldn't have a conversation like that. And even if they somehow
did, how does that change how one should feel about what Assange said? "Well, he was psychopathically toying with people's lives, but so do other people."
Assange seemed virtuous at first but it appears he pivoted into an agenda-driven propagandist after Wikileaks grew more successful and he realized what could be done with it.