NodeSwift: Bridge Node.js and Swift (opens in new tab)

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103 pointsjoshuawright112y ago24 comments

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anonymouse0082y ago· 5 in thread

Wait, so you compile a swift executable that’s callable from js? How would one distribute this client side in browser?

I’m not smart enough to understand this. I love swift, vapor and node individually, I don’t get it together

wk_end2y ago

Node’s a server-side thing, so I don’t think you’d distribute these in the browser.

vips7L2y ago

It's a desktop thing too when working with cli tools or electron, though I've found that for electron I just end up calling other languages via IPC on stdin/out. It might not be as fast as ffi from node, but its certainly leagues easier and clearer.

demondemidi2y ago

Other way round.

NodeJS has had FFI for over a decade that allows you to call functions in .dylib/.a/.dll on Mac/Linux/Windows. I've used it extensively to link with libraries provided by USB device manufacturers to avoid direct USB interfacing.

See:

https://www.npmjs.com/package/ffi

This let's you call Node from inside Swift.

robmccoll2y ago

You wouldn't run this in the browser. On the frontend, this would be useful for Electron apps (which run an embedded Chromium for the UI and a local node server for business logic and interfacing with the operating system) on MacOS. On the backend, this might be useful if you have a node-based API and want to share some Swift code between your iOS frontend and node backend.

brailsafe2y ago

It might be possible to compile it to web assembly and then call it in the browser.

goestoo2y ago· 4 in thread

So, the main use case of this is for writing Electron apps, the biggest benefit of Electron is having cross-platform apps, using swift code in your Electron app that's only work on macOS gonna defeat of propose of an Electron app.

mmcclure2y ago

This has already been corrected, but just calling out a bullet from the feature section:

> Cross-platform: NodeSwift works not only on macOS, but also on Linux, Windows, and even iOS!

Now I'm curious about the iOS bit. Is that intended for React Native?

dieortin2y ago

Swift code can run on Windows and Linux too

goestoo2y ago

Sorry, I didn't know that, I thought swift is only for Apple platforms.

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adamnemecek2y ago

Electron apps can have native components and in fact many do.

quotemstr2y ago· 3 in thread

We've got to get out of the business of these pairwise language interop solutions.

elbear2y ago

You mean there should be a general solution (not just pairwise) or none at all?

Jtsummers2y ago

Totally, let's bring back CORBA!

quotemstr2y ago

This but unironically

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guzik2y ago· 2 in thread

Oh my, yes! We have some legacy microservices written in Swift/Vapor (while our main stack is NestJS) and instead of rewriting them to TypeScript, we can use this. Cool!

joshuawright11OP2y ago

What drove the switch from Vapor -> Nest?

guzik2y ago

Actually, we are using Node/Nest from the start. A significant amount of our business logic was written in Swift for our iOS mobile app, which we eventually moved to the microservices (Vapor). This was because we needed to create an Android app and didn't want to write new code from scratch.

elpakal2y ago· 1 in thread

I get paid to write Swift code at the day job, at night I write a lot of node backend code for a side project. I have to say that it's pretty refreshing to jump in and not have the (increasingly) opinionated Swift compiler barking at me for everything I do. Unfortunately Swift has also made me extremely paranoid in JS, where I find that everything I write is checked for null, but I don't think I'd trade the freedom in nodeJS for Swift's type safety. This is super cool though, well done.

s4i2y ago

> I don't think I'd trade the freedom in nodeJS for Swift's type safety

Surely you have considered TypeScript for your Node project then?

koinedad2y ago

This is cool, don’t know how I’d use it yet but having access to the huge library of node modules sounds like a win.

floydnoel2y ago

this is freakin great

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22 comments · 7 top-level

anonymouse0082y ago· 5 in thread

Wait, so you compile a swift executable that’s callable from js? How would one distribute this client side in browser?

I’m not smart enough to understand this. I love swift, vapor and node individually, I don’t get it together

wk_end2y ago

Node’s a server-side thing, so I don’t think you’d distribute these in the browser.

vips7L2y ago

demondemidi2y ago

Other way round.

See:

https://www.npmjs.com/package/ffi

This let's you call Node from inside Swift.

robmccoll2y ago

brailsafe2y ago

It might be possible to compile it to web assembly and then call it in the browser.

goestoo2y ago· 4 in thread

mmcclure2y ago

This has already been corrected, but just calling out a bullet from the feature section:

> Cross-platform: NodeSwift works not only on macOS, but also on Linux, Windows, and even iOS!

Now I'm curious about the iOS bit. Is that intended for React Native?

dieortin2y ago

Swift code can run on Windows and Linux too

goestoo2y ago

Sorry, I didn't know that, I thought swift is only for Apple platforms.

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adamnemecek2y ago

Electron apps can have native components and in fact many do.

quotemstr2y ago· 3 in thread

We've got to get out of the business of these pairwise language interop solutions.

elbear2y ago

You mean there should be a general solution (not just pairwise) or none at all?

Jtsummers2y ago

Totally, let's bring back CORBA!

quotemstr2y ago

This but unironically

1 more reply

guzik2y ago· 2 in thread

Oh my, yes! We have some legacy microservices written in Swift/Vapor (while our main stack is NestJS) and instead of rewriting them to TypeScript, we can use this. Cool!

joshuawright11OP2y ago

What drove the switch from Vapor -> Nest?

guzik2y ago

elpakal2y ago· 1 in thread

s4i2y ago

> I don't think I'd trade the freedom in nodeJS for Swift's type safety

Surely you have considered TypeScript for your Node project then?

koinedad2y ago

This is cool, don’t know how I’d use it yet but having access to the huge library of node modules sounds like a win.

floydnoel2y ago

this is freakin great

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