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0 pointsK0balt2y ago0 comments

Crying wolf?

Please do elaborate. I am not aware of any information that Snowden has published that was not factually correct and informative.

I think that of all people, Snowden would have a much more nuanced understanding of what it means for a former NSA chief to join the board of a company like OAI.

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dialup_sounds2y ago· 6 in thread

That "nuanced understanding" is not on display here. It's just insinuating something nefarious in a very simplistic way. It's like saying because the CEO of GlaxoSmithKline is on the board of Microsoft that Windows will now ship with antidepressants.

What does it mean when a Russian citizen [0] on social media smears an American company that's blocked Russian disinformation campaigns [1] for appointing somebody that's been in charge of defending against Russian disinformation campaigns [2], who has said as recently as last month: “If they are trying to influence or interfere in our elections, we should make it as hard as possible for them.”[3]?

(Vf guvf ahnaprq haqrefgnaqvat be vf vg vafvahngvba?)

[0] https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/dec/02/edward-snowd...

[1] https://openai.com/index/disrupting-deceptive-uses-of-AI-by-...

[2] https://thehill.com/policy/cybersecurity/3508639-cyber-comma...

[3] https://www.nytimes.com/2024/05/15/us/politics/russia-disinf...

K0baltOP2y ago

I don’t think that being a CEO of another company is nearly as indicative of the nature of the character and priorities of a person as other kinds of life or professional experience.

Being a career military person that ends up as a head of a three letter agency requires a very specific kind of professional focus, worldview, and set of priorities.

A better example might be if a former member of the grateful dead joined the board of OAI. That would also be an indication of an intentional incorporation of a worldview into the guiding intellect of a company.

dialup_sounds2y ago

So like:

   1. "This person has a specific professional history"
   2. ???
   3. "This is a willful, calculated betrayal of the rights of every person on earth"

I think we need to be a little more explicit in step 2.

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jesselawson2y ago

I’m not sure I understand the analogy. To me there’s a difference between a former intelligence general being courted by a private company that sells services for rapidly and semi-autonomously generating content that bad actors have used and will likely continue to use for influencing geopolitical public sentiment, and a pharmaceutical company that does not sell similar technology.

dialup_sounds2y ago

The point is that anybody can make baseless insinuations about what a board appointment means that have nothing to do with the actual qualifications of the person.

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joemi2y ago

What is "(Vf guvf ahnaprq haqrefgnaqvat be vf vg vafvahngvba?)"? Is this a romanization of Russian? Or is it some sort of coded message? What does it mean? Despite agreeing with the bulk of your post I'm hesitant to upvote something that concludes with a line I don't understand.

allarm2y ago

That means: Is this nuanced understanding or is it insinuation?

This is the ROT13 cipher. Uryyb, sryybj unpxref.

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dialup_sounds2y ago· 6 in thread

(Vf guvf ahnaprq haqrefgnaqvat be vf vg vafvahngvba?)

[0] https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/dec/02/edward-snowd...

[1] https://openai.com/index/disrupting-deceptive-uses-of-AI-by-...

[2] https://thehill.com/policy/cybersecurity/3508639-cyber-comma...

[3] https://www.nytimes.com/2024/05/15/us/politics/russia-disinf...

K0baltOP2y ago

I don’t think that being a CEO of another company is nearly as indicative of the nature of the character and priorities of a person as other kinds of life or professional experience.

Being a career military person that ends up as a head of a three letter agency requires a very specific kind of professional focus, worldview, and set of priorities.

dialup_sounds2y ago

So like:

   1. "This person has a specific professional history"
   2. ???
   3. "This is a willful, calculated betrayal of the rights of every person on earth"

I think we need to be a little more explicit in step 2.

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jesselawson2y ago

dialup_sounds2y ago

The point is that anybody can make baseless insinuations about what a board appointment means that have nothing to do with the actual qualifications of the person.

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joemi2y ago

allarm2y ago

That means: Is this nuanced understanding or is it insinuation?

This is the ROT13 cipher. Uryyb, sryybj unpxref.

j / k navigate · click thread line to collapse