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Tesla is still years behind Waymo: "FSD 12.3 seems superior to Waymo’s technology circa 2018, it’s not as good as Waymo’s technology at the end of 2020"

https://arstechnica.com/cars/2024/05/on-self-driving-waymo-i...

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marcusverus1y ago

The author's opinion is based on one intervention from one trip:

> "The version of FSD I tried in March [of 2024] was clearly not ready for driverless operation. For example, I had to intervene to prevent the Model X from running over a plastic lane divider, a mistake Waymo would not have made in 2020. So while FSD 12.3 seems superior to Waymo’s technology circa 2018, it’s not as good as Waymo’s technology at the end of 2020."

swsieber1y ago

While true, if you go to page 1 of the article you find this:

> During a 45-minute test drive in a Tesla Model X, I had to intervene twice to correct mistakes by the FSD software. In contrast, I rode in driverless Waymo vehicles for more than two hours and didn’t notice a single mistake.

That seems pretty significant.

maxdo1y ago

While Waymo is only trying to enable itself on 1-2 particular highways in western America, Tesla's FSD can work hours with no interventions on the highways, do exits, and automate pretty much the entire trip on a highway in any place in the US, Canada, and China.

Again, it's just different approaches to solve the problem.

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mgiannopoulos1y ago

A 45’ drive is not sufficient data for a serious review.

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maxdo1y ago

I'm using FSD every day in NYC. It is one of the hardest environments in the world.

99% of interventions I had were from a driver's experience perspective, not the actual safety.

It's still far away from 99.999 that you would expect.

grecy1y ago

> at the end of 2020

It seems silly to analyze a 4 year old version of something that is changing extremely rapidly.

Both Waymo and FSD have come a very long way since 2020.

krisoft1y ago

You are misunderstanding the quote.

FSD 12.3 is the current version of Tesla's self driving software. The article is comparing that current version of FSD to Waymo's 2020 state and saying that Tesla's self driving code today is worse than Waymo's 4 year ago. That is, according to the quote, Tesla is more than 4 years behind.

grecy1y ago

Ah, gotcha, thanks. You are right, I misunderstood

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