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0 pointsekianjo1y ago0 comments

> humans follow a deductive process to answer questions which they haven't encountered yet

nope. most humans fall in various traps such as pattern recognition, confirmation bias, and many others instead of relying on deductive analysis. Even scientists fail at being rigorous.

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short_sells_poo1y ago

Of course there are cases like this, nobody is perfect. But we are talking about mathematics here, not everyday subconscious decision making. I agree that 99% of daily life is trivial pattern recognition. That's not what distinguishes humans though is it? Because animals, down to single celled organisms do just fine without higher order mental capabilities. But we are talking about reasoning here - and specifically about structured one like math.

andoando1y ago

I disagree that daily life is "trivial pattern recognition".

Just our visual object recognition is immensely powerful and far beyond and current AI. A simple task like walking to the fridge requires a ton of pattern recognition and spatial reasoning. Recognizing people's moods/predicting behaviors is also incredibly involved imo.

Ive said this many times but perhaps we should focus on achieving dog level intelligence first before we start worrying about human level AGI.

short_sells_poo1y ago

Oh I'm very much with you. In fact I get irked by people here breathlessly parroting that human level AGI is upon us any day now. I'd be impressed if an AI had mouse level capabilities any time soon. I think the current models are very impressive, but they are parlor tricks compared to what a true AGI should be capable of.

hollerith1y ago

>if an AI had mouse level capabilities any time soon

That's why nobody has gotten any traction selling access to AIs for $20 a month whereas selling access to mouse labor is such a thriving business.

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CamperBob21y ago

Just our visual object recognition is immensely powerful and far beyond and current AI.

That's a point you'll likely have to revisit pretty soon. Radiology, for instance, probably won't exist as a profession 20-30 years from now. Captchas are already pretty much done for.

andoando1y ago

Well 1. Radiology is an insanely niche subject not indiciative of general intelligence, and 2. AI being at good radiology isn't about object recognition or spatial reasoning, its data analysis connecting features to outcomes.

Lastly, check out the ARC challenge or any other spatial reasoning tests for AI. Humans get ~80% on these challenges whereas the best AI is still at 25%

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short_sells_poo1y ago

andoando1y ago

I disagree that daily life is "trivial pattern recognition".

Ive said this many times but perhaps we should focus on achieving dog level intelligence first before we start worrying about human level AGI.

short_sells_poo1y ago

hollerith1y ago

>if an AI had mouse level capabilities any time soon

That's why nobody has gotten any traction selling access to AIs for $20 a month whereas selling access to mouse labor is such a thriving business.

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CamperBob21y ago

Just our visual object recognition is immensely powerful and far beyond and current AI.

That's a point you'll likely have to revisit pretty soon. Radiology, for instance, probably won't exist as a profession 20-30 years from now. Captchas are already pretty much done for.

andoando1y ago

Lastly, check out the ARC challenge or any other spatial reasoning tests for AI. Humans get ~80% on these challenges whereas the best AI is still at 25%

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