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0 pointsbusterarm2y ago0 comments

While I agree with you, I think the call is for companies to be less psychopathic and stop onboarding people within 90 days of mass layoffs.

Especially in a world where people pick up their whole lives and relocate for jobs. Recent joiners aren't getting any sustainable kind of severance either. The idea is if you're hiring them you have a minimum commitment to support their success.

Yes she was an obvious fire, but it's also the organization's fault. Enterprise deals also take way longer to close than that...

All that said, salespeople can and do move jobs a lot. I'm sure she'll be fine.

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gruez2y ago· 4 in thread

>I think the call is for companies to be less psychopathic and stop onboarding people within 90 days of mass layoffs.

Was there any indication that the "mass layoffs" were planned 90 days in advance?

mtndew4brkfst2y ago

That wasn't how I interpreted this phrasing. I read it as "it is worth being critical of an org that does mass layoffs and then goes on to hire new people to fill vacated roles shortly after the layoffs were finished".

That timing shows that it's not just implementing headcount and budget reductions, which are somewhat defensible if still tragic. It was instead a forced turnover, which in some cases can be a route to wage suppression.

gruez2y ago

>That timing shows that it's not just implementing headcount and budget reductions, which are somewhat defensible if still tragic. It was instead a forced turnover, which in some cases can be a route to wage suppression.

Apparently the person in question was fired within 3 months of being hired[1]. If this is true it seems like a stretch to characterize it as "forced turnover" or "wage suppression".

[1] https://x.com/eastdakota/status/1745697840180191501

busterarmOP2y ago

It takes around that long to plan and for public companies they don't just suddenly come to that decision within a single quarter, but also that's missing the point.

If you're a public company and you go from healthy to mass layoffs within a single quarter then your investors (and employees) should be a lot more concerned.

gruez2y ago

>If you're a public company and you go from healthy to mass layoffs within a single quarter then your investors (and employees) should be a lot more concerned.

1. According to the CEO the layoffs in question were for "~40 sales people out of over 1,500 in our go to market org"[1]. Is that really a "mass layoff"?

2. Did you not remember that the layoffs coincided with reversal in macroeconomic conditions? Specifically, the reversal from "inflation is transitory" to "inflation is persistent and the central bank will hike interest interest rates".

[1] https://x.com/eastdakota/status/1745697840180191501

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gruez2y ago· 4 in thread

>I think the call is for companies to be less psychopathic and stop onboarding people within 90 days of mass layoffs.

Was there any indication that the "mass layoffs" were planned 90 days in advance?

mtndew4brkfst2y ago

gruez2y ago

Apparently the person in question was fired within 3 months of being hired[1]. If this is true it seems like a stretch to characterize it as "forced turnover" or "wage suppression".

[1] https://x.com/eastdakota/status/1745697840180191501

busterarmOP2y ago

It takes around that long to plan and for public companies they don't just suddenly come to that decision within a single quarter, but also that's missing the point.

If you're a public company and you go from healthy to mass layoffs within a single quarter then your investors (and employees) should be a lot more concerned.

gruez2y ago

>If you're a public company and you go from healthy to mass layoffs within a single quarter then your investors (and employees) should be a lot more concerned.

1. According to the CEO the layoffs in question were for "~40 sales people out of over 1,500 in our go to market org"[1]. Is that really a "mass layoff"?

[1] https://x.com/eastdakota/status/1745697840180191501

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