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0 pointsskinkestek1y ago0 comments

> How are you defining terrorist here as well? As other than the horrific events of October 7th, and the hostages from that day, the only visible acts of violence and terror associated with Palestine appear to be towards anyone Palestinian, journalists, aid workers and medical staff.

You can start with the large scale, multi year campaign of using MLRS ramps to shoot barrages of unguided rockets from Gaza and Lebanon into Israel.

That is indiscriminate - or even targeting civilians directly.

But because Israel has gone to extreme lengths to counter it there are few causalities these days and combined with medias extreme one-sidedness that means we don't even hear when they hit a hospital in Israel last year.

Cynically speaking, Iron Dome has been an expensive PR disaster for Israel, but that is what one get for caring about ones own citizens and not being allowed to just do counter battery fire until the enemy stops.

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ThinkBeat1y ago

When people complain that disadvantaged people fighting asymmetrically use "unguided missiles" it makes me think that we need to provide them with the technology and means of production and infrastructure to shoot smart missiles instead.

That could in theory allow the asymmetris side to kill less civilians and more military targets.

Would that make the whole situation better? There would no longer be outrage that they use -unguided- missiles.

The unguided missiles that are used to today are of such poor quality that they seldom hit anything. A majority are tracked by Irondome but never targeted since the system predicts it wont do any harm

Properly targeted missiles would be far more likely to hit a target unless Iron Dome manages to shoot it down.

In the end is it not the case that "unguided" missiles are an advantage for IDF rather than a problem?

skinkestekOP1y ago

Alternatively we could withhold aid and make it clear we will only send what they need to survive until there has been a full month without attacks.

Since Israel doesn't attack first that will be the end of the hostilities.

We can then start discussing when and how to normalize the borders and reopen the airport as the situation normalizes.

ThinkBeat1y ago

I agree. No aid of any kind should be given to the IDF or anything associated with it period.

No money. No bombs, No shells. Nada.

We should sanction any country that provides any of the above as well as political and military leaders and companies in Israel.

Until hostilities end and a lasting negotiated peace is established.

NomDePlum1y ago

My understanding of what you have said:

Israel has had rockets fired at it. It was frightening for the population (understandably), but it didn't affect us much.

So I agree that's an impact of terrorism. But, it's really saying we haven't been impacted since October 7th is it not?

Not a criticism, and a good thing. My response is just related to earlier questions. Which are now reopened.

skinkestekOP1y ago

Sadly rocket barrages continued way after 07 of October.

Even during the short cease fire there was at least one rocket barrage.

Say what you want but they surely have manage to do the things they prioritize.

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0 pointsskinkestek1y ago0 comments

You can start with the large scale, multi year campaign of using MLRS ramps to shoot barrages of unguided rockets from Gaza and Lebanon into Israel.

That is indiscriminate - or even targeting civilians directly.

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ThinkBeat1y ago

That could in theory allow the asymmetris side to kill less civilians and more military targets.

Would that make the whole situation better? There would no longer be outrage that they use -unguided- missiles.

Properly targeted missiles would be far more likely to hit a target unless Iron Dome manages to shoot it down.

In the end is it not the case that "unguided" missiles are an advantage for IDF rather than a problem?

skinkestekOP1y ago

Alternatively we could withhold aid and make it clear we will only send what they need to survive until there has been a full month without attacks.

Since Israel doesn't attack first that will be the end of the hostilities.

We can then start discussing when and how to normalize the borders and reopen the airport as the situation normalizes.

ThinkBeat1y ago

I agree. No aid of any kind should be given to the IDF or anything associated with it period.

No money. No bombs, No shells. Nada.

We should sanction any country that provides any of the above as well as political and military leaders and companies in Israel.

Until hostilities end and a lasting negotiated peace is established.

NomDePlum1y ago

My understanding of what you have said:

Israel has had rockets fired at it. It was frightening for the population (understandably), but it didn't affect us much.

So I agree that's an impact of terrorism. But, it's really saying we haven't been impacted since October 7th is it not?

Not a criticism, and a good thing. My response is just related to earlier questions. Which are now reopened.

skinkestekOP1y ago

Sadly rocket barrages continued way after 07 of October.

Even during the short cease fire there was at least one rocket barrage.

Say what you want but they surely have manage to do the things they prioritize.

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