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0 pointsfhd22y ago0 comments

> One source stated that human personnel often served only as a “rubber stamp” for the machine’s decisions, adding that, normally, they would personally devote only about “20 seconds” to each target before authorizing a bombing [...]

Brings the Ironies of Automation paper to mind: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ironies_of_Automation

Specifically: If _most_ of a task is automated, human oversight becomes near useless. People get bored, are under time pressure, don't find enough mistakes etc and just don't do the review job they're supposed to do anymore.

A dystopian travesty.

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forgetfreeman2y ago

Nothing a few rounds of war crimes trials, complete with gallows, in the Hague won't sort out, especially if the court decided (oh I can dream) that the execs and major investors of the company that implemented the system are culpable.

JumpCrisscross2y ago

> war crimes trials

What is the alleged war crime in using a machine for target filtration?

forgetfreeman2y ago

Given their system is in the decision tree for operations any war crime committed during the course of said operations should apply. Did you want an abridged list of likely candidates? Because I just finished spending an hour poring over ICC Article 8 and the Geneva Conventions and I have copypasta on hand ready to go.

JumpCrisscross2y ago

> Did you want an abridged list of likely candidates?

Do you have a single, strongest one? Copypasta rarely advances an argument.

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tmnvix2y ago

It's only 'filtration' if selecting from from a list of targets. This sounds more like selecting targets from a group of people generally.

cchance2y ago

I mean at the end of the day an AI being rubber stamped or a human being rubber stamping "minor intel" for a drone strike its still bullshit.

But blaming AI is just easier than acknoledging at every step of this theres a human being Oking it, the war is Ok'd by a human, the target list is ok'd by a human, the missle launch/bomb drop is ok'd by a human, the fucking trigger is pulled by a human.

But sure because the target list was vetted by an AI its the AI's fault.

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forgetfreeman2y ago

JumpCrisscross2y ago

> war crimes trials

What is the alleged war crime in using a machine for target filtration?

forgetfreeman2y ago

JumpCrisscross2y ago

> Did you want an abridged list of likely candidates?

Do you have a single, strongest one? Copypasta rarely advances an argument.

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tmnvix2y ago

It's only 'filtration' if selecting from from a list of targets. This sounds more like selecting targets from a group of people generally.

cchance2y ago

I mean at the end of the day an AI being rubber stamped or a human being rubber stamping "minor intel" for a drone strike its still bullshit.

But sure because the target list was vetted by an AI its the AI's fault.

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