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0 pointsduxup2y ago0 comments

You could work for 50 years and never need those… it just depends on what you’re creating / how many devs and so on.

I know some guys who over the years wrote their own framework. It works great… for them.

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Right, the only thing that convinces me is team and hiring dynamics. But that’s not what these tools advertise.

It’s always like: you have dozens of interactive controls in this view, it’s getting out of hand, you should use this language that compiles to HTML and JavaScript and carry all these dependencies. To which I always reply: no thanks, I rather deal with the dozens of controls.

duxupOP2y ago

> team and hiring dynamics. But that’s not what these tools advertise.

I think that’s a given for any proposed standard. We all get a common way we understand things and can even just communicate about a thing.

tambourine_man2y ago

My argument is that it’s not their selling point. When you go to React’s page you’re not greeted with: “React is a great way to hire devs and manage a team”.

The solution they sell is technical, like state management, reusable components, etc. Which I don’t find convincing.

unrealhoang2y ago

> Right, the only thing that convinces me is team and hiring dynamics. But that’s not what these tools advertise.

And that's fine, these tools don't solve what you search for.

A dozens of controls multiply with a dozens of events are already a quite big amount of points of failure, so people gladly trade it with the dependencies (what's the issues with dependencies anyway?).

So yeah, not many people want to be good, and only hire good people like you to use the hand tools and "just do it correctly". Most acknowledge their downsides and use proper tools to aide them.

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tambourine_man2y ago

Right, the only thing that convinces me is team and hiring dynamics. But that’s not what these tools advertise.

duxupOP2y ago

> team and hiring dynamics. But that’s not what these tools advertise.

I think that’s a given for any proposed standard. We all get a common way we understand things and can even just communicate about a thing.

tambourine_man2y ago

My argument is that it’s not their selling point. When you go to React’s page you’re not greeted with: “React is a great way to hire devs and manage a team”.

The solution they sell is technical, like state management, reusable components, etc. Which I don’t find convincing.

unrealhoang2y ago

> Right, the only thing that convinces me is team and hiring dynamics. But that’s not what these tools advertise.

And that's fine, these tools don't solve what you search for.

So yeah, not many people want to be good, and only hire good people like you to use the hand tools and "just do it correctly". Most acknowledge their downsides and use proper tools to aide them.

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