Kia recalls over 427K Telluride SUVs because they might roll away while parked (opens in new tab)

Hyundai owns a third of Kia and the two share parts, assemblies, and entire platforms.

the PALISADE AND telluride are essentially the same vehicle as well.

Most new vehicles from all major manufacturers have electrically actuated push button parking brakes rather than handbrakes.

> I have a young family member who was taught exactly the opposite -- setting the parking brake was "harmful" to the car somehow and not to do it.

I knew a friend who was also convinced of this somehow. It seems to be a common myth that it’s an “emergency” brake despite the car manual and drivers ed calling it a parking brake and stating it should be used each time, even on an automatic.

> setting the parking brake was "harmful" to the car somehow and not to do it

And this is exactly how people end up with a parking brake that's rusted in place and useless, which they'll discover at the worst possible time. Surreal to hear that's being taught to new drivers as a good practice.

the emergency brake (what a lot of manual drivers call a parking brake) is not usually designed for constant use. esp in older models where the brake was cable-based.

if I lived on the west coast again or somewhere else with a lot of hills, I'd use it all the time along with curbing and leaving it in gear. I grew up on the flat prairie, parking on hills freaks me out

Out here in europe, they usually come with the "second cheapest" (and more expensive) options when buying a car (so the base model doesn't have them, but one "level" higher, you get the automatic parking brakes, automatic AC, cruise control, etc.).

They're usually a pain, because if you want to tow a vehicle with them, you either have to turn the vehicle on, to disable them (not always an option if it's an electrical issue) you have to find the manual release (if the car has one), or in some cases, even remove both rear tires and unscrew a part of a brake assembly.... but yeah... not that odd, with an old renault, you had to remove a tire to change the front light.

Sure, so are on manual cars, but once you go above a "base model" with many cars, you get such goodies like cruise control, automatic AC and automatic parking brakes (which can be a pain to release in case of an electrical failure when towing is needed).

I’ve driven newer rental cars where the emergency brake was engaged by a button on the console. They call it brake hold I think. Can this fail from software bug?

https://www.motorbiscuit.com/brake-hold-button-car/

I don’t drive manuals now because my wife hasn’t been able to leadn how, but I am adamantly teaching my daughter to always set the parking brake when parked. What frustrates me is this finicky push button electronic parking brakes, I want a good mechanical handbrake or even a 3rd pedal parking brake.

The position is "park" because it parks the gearbox mechanism, not the car. It's clear that many people misuse it, to the point that manufacturers overengineer the gearbox lock so it's able to serve as a parking brake.

I think I witness that VW automatically engage the electronic handbreak as the driver opens the door while the stick is in parking position.

I always use mine, but yeah I run into a lot of other automatic owners who don't.

I'm guessing it starts as a habit, they either weren't taught in driving class or it wasn't enforced, then it became ingrained and they never got curious about what they could be wrong about,or what it means that their car rocks when they step out.

Even with a "car guy" who was working on my rear wheels (fwd) he asked if I had AWD. No buddy, I just remembered to set the brake before you got it up on the jack.

For curious readers, if you always park on level ground, just set the brake anyway as a drill. If it's busted, you'll get a chance to fix it before you need it

I also always turn my headlights on. It uses a little more gas but saves the judgement call of wondering whether it's real dark enough or whether the computer will turn them on for me. Always on.

When I turn off Toyota hybrid it engages parking break automatically. Why wouldn't it?

Is it possible for modern car to be off in neutral?

Park position flips a lock into the gear ring to ensure the gearbox doesn't move. This achieves the same effect as leaving a manual gearbox in gear. In a manual gearbox, the engine holds the rest of the gearbox in place, but in a traditional auto gearbox, the whole mechanism can still move when the engine is stopped, that's why the lock piece is needed.

People relying on the gearbox lock to keep the car in place is the weird part - it would be like engaging first or reverse gear on a manual car, and trusting that to keep the car in place. Even if the manufacturer showed that the engine vacuum is enough, people still rely on the right tool for the job - a brake.

The lock is there because traditional auto gearboxes can still move when the engine is stopped, as if it was in neutral position, while a manual gearbox in gear has to overcome the engine cylinder vacuum. The difference is people not trusting the cylinder vacuum to keep the car in place, but at the same time happily relying on the gearbox lock to do the job.