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0 pointsJumpCrisscross2y ago0 comments

> most/all foreign threats to NYC will pass through the Feds jurisdiction (border control, customs, coast guard etc)

After 9/11, it seems fair for New York to want to take anti-terrorism into its own hands, even if that duplicates certain federal functions. (I'm not arguing it's effective. Just that it makes sense for the city to not entirely trust the Feds.)

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r00fus2y ago· 6 in thread

Does it? Why does the NYPD have an office in Tel Aviv for example?

JumpCrisscrossOP2y ago

> Why does the NYPD have an office in Tel Aviv for example?

Presumably to coördinate intelligence? (I'm guesing.)

If you don't trust the Feds, your options are to partner or duplicate that capability in house. Partnering seems the cheaper option.

text04042y ago

foreign intelligence is outside the purview of a domestic municipal police department. the US does not allow foreign municipalities to install police departments on US soil.

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r00fus2y ago

Exactly what coordination of intelligence is required? To me this would be like my local utility needing to have an anti-nuclear proliferation Taskforce with another utility from a different country...

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A4ET8a8uTh02y ago

I guess the real question that is not openly posed is whether NYPD has mandate do that before we even get to the part as to whether it is cost-effective, warranted or even desirable. Sheriff of my podunk lil town doesn't run work with Italy's podunk town mayor for example.

mrd3v02y ago

Ah yes, coordinating intelligence half way across the planet with the same country that legalises its IT companies selling illegal tracking of political and ethnic targets.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pegasus_Project_(investigati...

xrd2y ago

They have a subway system in Tel Aviv. I'm sure they will be happy to have NYPD patrolling it, keeping it safe. /s

You see things like this and wonder how that money escapes scrutiny when everything else is debated endlessly.

zwirbl2y ago· 6 in thread

That doesn't really make sense, will the NYPD start patrolling airports in Europe and flights to the US?

mikrl2y ago

I was surprised to see US border control at Toronto Pearson but I suppose it makes sense to screen passengers on this side given the proximity of Toronto to a US workforce, and it would alleviate US airports to receive Canadian traffic as a pseudo-domestic arrival (I assume this is what happened when I flew YYZ->DFW)

ceejayoz2y ago

They do this in a number of other places that have lots of flights to the US.

https://www.cbp.gov/travel/preclearance

> Today, CBP has more than 600 officers and agriculture specialists stationed at 15 Preclearance locations in 6 countries: Dublin and Shannon in Ireland; Aruba; Bermuda; Abu Dhabi in the United Arab Emirates; Nassau in the Bahamas; and Calgary, Toronto, Edmonton, Halifax, Montreal, Ottawa, Vancouver, Victoria, and Winnipeg in Canada.

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bombcar2y ago

It allows Canadian flights to go to (US) domestic airports, including those without active customs.

bobthepanda2y ago

the other reason is that if canadian traffic can come into the US as domestic pre-cleared, then travelers are free to transfer within the US much more easily. this makes things much easier for places that do not have direct connections to Canadian airports.

(in the US, even if transiting to another country you are required to clear US customs.)

ska2y ago

It's not just Canada, there are several countries in this program: https://www.cbp.gov/travel/preclearance

JumpCrisscrossOP2y ago

> will the NYPD start patrolling airports in Europe and flights to the US?

To my knowledge, the NYPD doesn't patrol outside its borders. The international offices are for coördinating intelligence.

ben_w2y ago· 2 in thread

I keep hearing (from abroad) about the "militarisation of the police" in the US. Unless the NYPD took this as far as SAM batteries, what could they do against another 9/11, given the original four planes didn't take off from NY state let alone city?

vkou2y ago

The only thing anyone can do against another 9/11 is what we've already done. Reinforced cockpit doors.

All the rest is just bullshit and security theater (Which NYC is exceedingly good at.)

JumpCrisscrossOP2y ago

> unless the NYPD took this as far as SAM batteries, what could they do against another 9/11

Notify the Feds.

(Though I guess we can shoot down planes now? [1])

[1] https://nationalpost.com/news/nypd-able-to-shoot-down-planes...

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r00fus2y ago· 6 in thread

Does it? Why does the NYPD have an office in Tel Aviv for example?

JumpCrisscrossOP2y ago

> Why does the NYPD have an office in Tel Aviv for example?

Presumably to coördinate intelligence? (I'm guesing.)

If you don't trust the Feds, your options are to partner or duplicate that capability in house. Partnering seems the cheaper option.

text04042y ago

foreign intelligence is outside the purview of a domestic municipal police department. the US does not allow foreign municipalities to install police departments on US soil.

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r00fus2y ago

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A4ET8a8uTh02y ago

mrd3v02y ago

Ah yes, coordinating intelligence half way across the planet with the same country that legalises its IT companies selling illegal tracking of political and ethnic targets.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pegasus_Project_(investigati...

xrd2y ago

They have a subway system in Tel Aviv. I'm sure they will be happy to have NYPD patrolling it, keeping it safe. /s

You see things like this and wonder how that money escapes scrutiny when everything else is debated endlessly.

zwirbl2y ago· 6 in thread

That doesn't really make sense, will the NYPD start patrolling airports in Europe and flights to the US?

mikrl2y ago

ceejayoz2y ago

They do this in a number of other places that have lots of flights to the US.

https://www.cbp.gov/travel/preclearance

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bombcar2y ago

It allows Canadian flights to go to (US) domestic airports, including those without active customs.

bobthepanda2y ago

(in the US, even if transiting to another country you are required to clear US customs.)

ska2y ago

It's not just Canada, there are several countries in this program: https://www.cbp.gov/travel/preclearance

JumpCrisscrossOP2y ago

> will the NYPD start patrolling airports in Europe and flights to the US?

To my knowledge, the NYPD doesn't patrol outside its borders. The international offices are for coördinating intelligence.

ben_w2y ago· 2 in thread

vkou2y ago

The only thing anyone can do against another 9/11 is what we've already done. Reinforced cockpit doors.

All the rest is just bullshit and security theater (Which NYC is exceedingly good at.)

JumpCrisscrossOP2y ago

> unless the NYPD took this as far as SAM batteries, what could they do against another 9/11

Notify the Feds.

(Though I guess we can shoot down planes now? [1])

[1] https://nationalpost.com/news/nypd-able-to-shoot-down-planes...

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