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0 pointsyupyup541332y ago0 comments

Nothing against Bluesky, but I think we are all a little jaded after seeing decades of the "embrace, extend, extinguish" pattern.

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steveklabnik2y ago

Being jaded is understandable, but because this critique is generic, it is applicable to literally anything and everything. I don't see how you can ever get something that's considered good if you always assume it will turn into something bad regardless of its current stance.

itsanaccount2y ago

Thats easy, you don't have a structure made with a single large actor capable of changing the rules of the game mid flight.

You get something good system by sharing power, not by once again falling for "trust us bro." You get it by understanding power imbalances and avoiding them the same way my dog avoids objects with large amounts of potential energy, because they're predictably dangerous.

steveklabnik2y ago

I understand this, yet, when presented with exactly this, the response was "well what about EEE."

preciousoo2y ago

The protocol and hosting mechanisms are open source. There’s one actor currently sure, but it seems like bluesky is not holding onto that.

mcherm2y ago

So presumably today's announcement that they are now supporting self-hosted instances is welcome news to you -- it is a huge stride in the direction you are advocating for.

bayindirh2y ago

Actually it's very hard, and becomes tiring after some point. I personally always keep a hope that I'll be wrong in the long run.

Sometimes I'm spot on, sometimes I stand corrected. The problem is, as time goes, your free time reserve starts to decline. You optimize things, consolidate services, etc., and these kind of migrations start to take tons of time.

Because of this, I gave "big web" up and moved to "small web", and always have plans to evacuate any service in a moment's notice.

It's like being a doomsday-preparer from a point, but at least I have backups and backup plans for everything.

lolinder2y ago

This would be more "create, extinguish", because there's no existing AT protocol network to embrace.

hardcopy2y ago

"embrace" would be the rise of decentralized social media

lolinder2y ago

If there can exist an "extinguish" step for the concept of decentralized social media itself then decentralized social media has already failed. The whole point is supposed to be about changing hearts and minds to embrace self-governance, a rug pull should just result in people moving somewhere else.

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steveklabnik2y ago

itsanaccount2y ago

Thats easy, you don't have a structure made with a single large actor capable of changing the rules of the game mid flight.

steveklabnik2y ago

I understand this, yet, when presented with exactly this, the response was "well what about EEE."

preciousoo2y ago

The protocol and hosting mechanisms are open source. There’s one actor currently sure, but it seems like bluesky is not holding onto that.

mcherm2y ago

So presumably today's announcement that they are now supporting self-hosted instances is welcome news to you -- it is a huge stride in the direction you are advocating for.

bayindirh2y ago

Actually it's very hard, and becomes tiring after some point. I personally always keep a hope that I'll be wrong in the long run.

Because of this, I gave "big web" up and moved to "small web", and always have plans to evacuate any service in a moment's notice.

It's like being a doomsday-preparer from a point, but at least I have backups and backup plans for everything.

lolinder2y ago

This would be more "create, extinguish", because there's no existing AT protocol network to embrace.

hardcopy2y ago

"embrace" would be the rise of decentralized social media

lolinder2y ago

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