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0 pointshef198982y ago0 comments

Considering that WW2 artillery shells were used all the way into th 70s and 80s, you might rethink that.

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Ukraine is out of ammunition NOW. If the war suddenly ends and they have to dispose of warheads that will expire soon, that is a cost that can be paid. But more importantly for them is ammunition now, if that can be achieved by making the build process simple, it should probably be done.

a_vanderbilt2y ago

You can't immediately scale up manufacturing. People have to be trained, parts have to be procured, and facilities made available to build the things. Ramp-up takes months, and if you're lucky the product is well established already so you aren't stepping on landmines as you scale. I helped to restart a mothballed process for a military product once and I have stories that you wouldn't believe.

dilyevsky2y ago

You’re advocating general motors approach over tesla/spacex approach. Tesla is selling millions of evs every year now an gm, boeing and friends are with you making excuses about training people and their process

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hef19898OP2y ago

Yes, you should tell theilitary industrial complex to produce arms and ammunitions during times of peak demand. You know, they might not have gotten the memo that they should get production volumes up.

lukan2y ago

"You know, they might not have gotten the memo that they should get production volumes up."

They don't want memos, but solid 10-15 year contracts. And since they are not getting that, not much is happening.

khokhol2y ago

Ukraine is out of ammunition NOW

There's no need to be hyperbolic.

They're certainly facing a serious situation. But by all accounts they still have some runway. And if you'll check your current news feeds very carefully: no, the front hasn't collapsed, and no, the Russians aren't on the verge of overrunning Kharkiv and Odesa.

So no, Ukraine is not "out of ammunition NOW".

lukan2y ago

They have so little ammunition, that they have to think 2 or 3 times about every artillery and even more so every anti air shot they have to take. With resserves are shrinking and less and less on the way. It is hard, waging war this way. Russia on the other hand is now in war economy mode. They produce ammunition and tanks way, way faster, than the west.

So if there would be a startup saying, we can build a automated factory, spitting out cheap javelin alike warheads using off the shelf components, would surely get money, if they have some expertise.

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lukan2y ago

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lukan2y ago

"You know, they might not have gotten the memo that they should get production volumes up."

They don't want memos, but solid 10-15 year contracts. And since they are not getting that, not much is happening.

khokhol2y ago

Ukraine is out of ammunition NOW

There's no need to be hyperbolic.

So no, Ukraine is not "out of ammunition NOW".

lukan2y ago

So if there would be a startup saying, we can build a automated factory, spitting out cheap javelin alike warheads using off the shelf components, would surely get money, if they have some expertise.

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