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0 pointsccozan2y ago0 comments

An interesting point.

How about the universe kept starting and collapsing/crashing in an infinite loop until by chance the electron and the proton had the exact charge and the universe as it is now could go beyong the initial stage and could continue?

( Ok this feels like a trial an error of somebody playing universe ).

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wruza2y ago

How about the universe that quantum-emerges in a truly random sequence of quasistates which disintegrate immediately, and once in a while it happens to be the state that includes "your" "memory" of the previous ones. I mean chronologically from your perspective, they don't even have to appear in order.

By an amazing coincidence, this particular "frameset" is logically consistent and pretty boring, so you have no intergalactic empires, no magic, and no job.

ryukafalz2y ago

Essentially dust theory from Permutation City. I've thought about this a lot.

p1mrx2y ago

If perception emerged directly from chaos like that, wouldn't you expect to perceive chaos, rather than a rich world built upon billions of years of evolutionary history?

wruza2y ago

I don't think there's "rather than" in this idea. You surely will perceive every state that is perceivable at all, but time and continuity have no meaning here. Specific history is just an image that always exists only for an instant. Eventually that universe might enumerate all states, so they'd form all sorts of sequences, but that's coincidental.

p1mrx2y ago

Sure, such a universe would create all states, but if perception from chaos were possible, then there would be overwhelmingly more chaotic states to perceive than sensible ones, so you would expect to find yourself perceiving chaos.

I think perception cannot exist without a robust evolutionary history to build upon, which is why you perceive something sensible.

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p1mrx2y ago

I could see why a charge imbalance prevents life from forming, but why would it also collapse the entire universe?

FridgeSeal2y ago

Sssshhhh, you’ll summon all the simulation people out of the woodwork!

j / k navigate · click thread line to collapse

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wruza2y ago

By an amazing coincidence, this particular "frameset" is logically consistent and pretty boring, so you have no intergalactic empires, no magic, and no job.

ryukafalz2y ago

Essentially dust theory from Permutation City. I've thought about this a lot.

p1mrx2y ago

If perception emerged directly from chaos like that, wouldn't you expect to perceive chaos, rather than a rich world built upon billions of years of evolutionary history?

wruza2y ago

p1mrx2y ago

I think perception cannot exist without a robust evolutionary history to build upon, which is why you perceive something sensible.

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p1mrx2y ago

I could see why a charge imbalance prevents life from forming, but why would it also collapse the entire universe?

FridgeSeal2y ago

Sssshhhh, you’ll summon all the simulation people out of the woodwork!

j / k navigate · click thread line to collapse