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0 pointstrunnell2y ago0 comments

Red flags:

1) Price seems too low for unlimited LLM usage and there's no monthly fee... so maybe you are the product?

2) Website has no information on the people behind this.

3) In the keynote, the demo of logging into to other services like Spotify appears to just be stealing the auth tokens from the laptop and shipping them to the R1 device. Not a good sign.

4) The founder's voice-over insists that "we value privacy" and "we do not hack" and "we do not create fake users." Protests too much?

5) They're not really addressing the trust-building necessary to convince people to use this like a personal assistant. It's waaaay too opaque.

Neat product, though. Maybe they're just launching super early, nothing is figured out yet, the website isn't done, etc.

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account_created2y ago· 1 in thread

> 3) In the keynote, the demo of logging into to other services like Spotify appears to just be stealing the auth tokens from the laptop and shipping them to the R1 device. Not a good sign.

I don't think the tokens are getting transferred to the device. It seems everything happens on the cloud, so the tokens must have been stored on the cloud too.

fastball2y ago

I think the tokens are stored on device. I think what is happening is that this is effectively an Android device (or web browser) that you are somewhat normally logging into apps on. Then the LAM (which is running on device) is interacting with those authenticated apps behind the scenes, and only showing you the slick black screen with the rabbit and results on it.

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xcdzvyn2y ago

> 3) In the keynote, the demo of logging into to other services like Spotify appears to just be stealing the auth tokens from the laptop and shipping them to the R1 device. Not a good sign.

It just looks like OAuth to me?

fillskills2y ago

THIS - pricing and security/privacy. Specially #1,2,3. Saying this despite ordering one. There is definitely a lot of scope to this new way to interacting. Really hoping these get addressed soon.

gumballindie2y ago

> 1) Price seems too low for unlimited LLM usage and there's no monthly fee... so maybe you are the product?

With AI you are always the product - how else can it be "trained".

bArray2y ago

> 1) Price seems too low for unlimited LLM usage and there's no monthly fee... so maybe you are the product?

It only needs to last a few months until all the devices are palmed off to kids. There is a 0% chance this makes it to year 2.

> 2) Website has no information on the people behind this.

All the better to run with the money. Given there won't be a second device, they should have charged more. I suspect they charged less because it simply performs _that_ poorly.

> 3) In the keynote, the demo of logging into to other services like Spotify appears to just be stealing the auth tokens from the laptop and shipping them to the R1 device. Not a good sign.

It's worse, it's not processed locally at all. That means that it's all done in some random cloud.

> 4) The founder's voice-over insists that "we value privacy" and "we do not hack" and "we do not create fake users." Protests too much?

I've never murdered anybody and there's no point looking in the forest!

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account_created2y ago· 1 in thread

> 3) In the keynote, the demo of logging into to other services like Spotify appears to just be stealing the auth tokens from the laptop and shipping them to the R1 device. Not a good sign.

I don't think the tokens are getting transferred to the device. It seems everything happens on the cloud, so the tokens must have been stored on the cloud too.

fastball2y ago

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xcdzvyn2y ago

> 3) In the keynote, the demo of logging into to other services like Spotify appears to just be stealing the auth tokens from the laptop and shipping them to the R1 device. Not a good sign.

It just looks like OAuth to me?

fillskills2y ago

THIS - pricing and security/privacy. Specially #1,2,3. Saying this despite ordering one. There is definitely a lot of scope to this new way to interacting. Really hoping these get addressed soon.

gumballindie2y ago

> 1) Price seems too low for unlimited LLM usage and there's no monthly fee... so maybe you are the product?

With AI you are always the product - how else can it be "trained".

bArray2y ago

> 1) Price seems too low for unlimited LLM usage and there's no monthly fee... so maybe you are the product?

It only needs to last a few months until all the devices are palmed off to kids. There is a 0% chance this makes it to year 2.

> 2) Website has no information on the people behind this.

All the better to run with the money. Given there won't be a second device, they should have charged more. I suspect they charged less because it simply performs _that_ poorly.

> 3) In the keynote, the demo of logging into to other services like Spotify appears to just be stealing the auth tokens from the laptop and shipping them to the R1 device. Not a good sign.

It's worse, it's not processed locally at all. That means that it's all done in some random cloud.

> 4) The founder's voice-over insists that "we value privacy" and "we do not hack" and "we do not create fake users." Protests too much?

I've never murdered anybody and there's no point looking in the forest!

j / k navigate · click thread line to collapse