It's weird that they're only comparing the new cards to the RTX 30's and 20's, and not the "v1" 40's. I assume the 4080 SUPER is faster than the 4080 (based on name?) but it seems cheaper and there's absolutely no comparison data
This article https://beebom.com/nvidia-rtx-4080-4070-ti-super-gpu-specs-r... says "the RTX 4070 Ti Super is up to 10% faster than the non-Super 4070 Ti on average"
So, on average, up to 10% faster, yeah seems pretty incremental.
While the TFLOPS of the Super variant does only see a ~10% increase as you note, memory bandwidth jumps by 42% and the memory capacity jumps by 33%, while the launch price is the same in my currency.
It basically bridges half the distance between a 4070 Ti (non-Super) and a 4080 (non-Super) for the same launch price as a 4070 Ti (non-Super).
Great card for memory intensive workloads like LLM inference with big context windows, IMO.
EDIT1: 4070 Ti Super TDP is 320W (same as 4080), higher than the anticipated 285W
EDIT2: launch price confirmed to be same as the 4070 Ti (non-Super), lower than anticipated!
But yes, very weird that none of the comparions actually show them!.
Ive a lot of AMd Nvidia machines - two high-end gaming machines.. the naming conventions of Nvidia cards are just odd to me and I can tell what anything actually means..
Most people upgrade from a 10, 20 or less so 30 series card.
They are selling upgrades to older generations.
It costs $2,000 and might get some people someplace interesting.
[1]: https://developer.nvidia.com/embedded/learn/getting-started-...
EDIT: For training
> The GeForce RTX 4080 SUPER arrives January 31st, starting at $999
> The GeForce RTX 4070 Ti SUPER launches January 24th, starting at $799
> The GeForce RTX 4070 SUPER launches January 17th, starting at $599
But it's really more a reflection on how shitty the 4070 was than anything else tbh
3060 - no
3060 Ti - yes, it still a great card that I use today
However, if you can't find a 3060 Ti at a lower price point than the 4060 Ti... then I reluctantly have to say you are probably going to be better served with the 4060 Ti.
https://ir.amd.com/news-events/press-releases/detail/1176/am...
IMO this pretty well displaces the 4060 8GB and 16GB - it's cheaper (than even the already below-MSRP street prices) on 4060 Ti 8GB, it's way cheaper than the 16GB model. $50 over 7600 MSRP for twice the VRAM is a very fair deal, and street prices will probably float just as much as 7600 street prices have.
Clearance-priced 6700XT is a great deal but 7600/7600XT is ultimately a 6600/6600XT replacement and it's not a knock on the 7600 that it doesn't have the wider memory bus/etc - it is a lower-tier product that is only in the same price tier due to clearance markdowns.
I maintain that people are just mad about the whole last 5 years (since RTX launched) at this point and pretty much just give automatic thumbs-down to anything that isn't an absurdly out-of-band good product. The pandemic shortages and mining boom have embittered a fair number of people to the point I don't think they're coming back to hobby, and instead they sit on social media and complain.
But future games are likely to run better in >8GB simply because the PS5 and XBox Series X have more than 8.
The improvements are very small in this space right now, for the most part.
I feel the exact opposite. There are too many! There are now nine models of the 4000-series, and that's not including laptop models or the cancelled 4080 12 GB.
IMO, there should be 5 models at the maximum. I shouldn't have to sit here and do a bunch of research to find out if the 4070 SUPER is faster than a 4070 Ti, and whether I should go for a 4070 SUPER Ti.
4060, 4070, 4080, 4090. That's all they ever needed. Budget, mid-grade, enthusiast, top-of-the-line. That's all that's needed.
Though given that NVidia seems to release its consumer GPUs once every 2 years (20 series in late 2018, 30-series late 2020, 40 series in late 2022), I wonder if this is more of a marketing ploy - release the main series once every 2 years, but bring our "super" refreshers in the middle of the cycle to make sure you're still in the news, and get some segment of consumers / gamers to upgrade to those.
EDIT: even people on the 4-series are experiencing it https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/geforce/forums/game-ready-drive...
Sucks for me, but overall I'm glad that Nvidia is getting prices under control to some extent.
to be blunt, that's because you bought into ayymd propaganda. it is so endemic that people don't even see it for what it is anymore, people are constantly bombarded with absurdly pro-AMD and absurdly anti-NVIDIA takes, it's just the sea in which we swim on social media.
you should take it as a learning experience and not constantly buy into the ayymd bandwagon of the week next time. because there will absolutely be a next time - probably people will move onto the next insane thing within a few weeks here.
Last year it was that the 4090 was going to be >900W... people talked themselves into thinking that a two-node shrink was going to result in zero efficiency gain. This ada gen is a dud, just wait for AMD, the 7900XTX is gonna blow the doors off!
https://www.techpowerup.com/294261/nvidia-allegedly-testing-...
And it's happened to RDNA3, Vega, Fury X, Zen2, etc, and against every single technology deployed via RTX or DLSS. The flip on framegen the day AMD released FSR3 was amazing, and instantly all the complaints about latency etc vanished within a single day, despite being significantly worse latency because of forced vsync/incompatibility with VRR, let alone the reflex-only baseline. "Possibly the best part of FSR now" etc.
it's like the runup to the iraq war or something, there were counter-voices, but why would you want to listen to them when everybody knows the truth already? Going against the grain constantly is tiresome and frames you as an iconoclast, and even if you're right people still think you're a troublemaker for having contradicted them earlier. The people who blocked you are not gonna unblock you just because you were right. It's like trying to be the voice of reason in a failing project, even if you save the project you're still a troublemaker. So eventually the dialogue just fades into an echo chamber. It is a fast road to what was eulogized as "epistemic closure" - aka "we bandwagoned too hard and drowned out all the opposing voices, and it turns out they were correct".
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epistemic_closure#Epistemic_cl...
So here we are: green man bad, everyone knows it, and this exception really only proves the rule. Now if you'll excuse me I've got some very important posts to make about how you'll never be able to buy one for MSRP anyway, like it's still 2020 or something.
In fairness you are not alone, fun reading from only a few days ago etc: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38804502
Very much a "I'll believe it when I see it" scenario.
That said, I'm curious to know how they stack up against a 4090, and if these new cards can melt wires and burn down a house as easily.
I’m wanting to know how this would compare to a 4090…as I’m thinking of upgrading my 3080FE.
That being said, these look competent enough, just stingy with VRAM still making them less desirable for longer use (4+ years) in either playing games or training models.
