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0 pointsManouchehri2y ago0 comments

It depends. Cloudflare R2 has unlimited free egress; if you’re using a Cloudflare Worker already and proxying the download, then Backblaze B2 becomes cheaper again because egress is free and unlimited.

Here’s my rough pricing notes:

https://gist.github.com/Manouchehri/733e6235457e60de24fdbb15...

One useful trick is if you’re already using a Cloudflare Worker, you can force cache fetches to Backblaze B2 (or any S3 provider). This is allowed by Cloudflare’s ToS as you’re using a Worker.

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chaikasumu2y ago

My understanding is a worker isn't a way around that, they clarified that all in their blog here:

https://blog.cloudflare.com/updated-tos/ > Finally, we made it clear that customers can serve video and other large files using the CDN so long as that content is hosted by a Cloudflare service like Stream, Images, or R2.

> Video and large files hosted outside of Cloudflare will still be restricted on our CDN

It is a bit confusing, espec when they only enforce it at super high usage/when it becomes an issue, but makes sense that a Worker isn't a magical free pass when you don't get charged Bandwidth on them either

jrochkind12y ago

I continue to be super confused by this. The blog post says, as you quote:

> we made it clear that customers can serve video and other large files using the CDN so long as that content is hosted by a Cloudflare service like Stream, Images, or R2.

But when I click through to the specific CDN terms it still says:

> Unless you are an Enterprise customer, Cloudflare offers specific Paid Services (e.g., the Developer Platform, Images, and Stream) that you must use in order to serve video and other large files via the CDN.

A plain reading of this would still make me think putting the CDN in front of video files on R2 was forbidden. It is now clear that you can use (the very expensive) Stream to serve video, sure.

chaikasumu2y ago

Yea.. the blog post and the terms don't exactly align. Looking at the Terms only, they say "specific Paid Services" and in the Developer Platform Terms, further say

> The Cloudflare Developer Platform consists of the following Services: (i) Cloudflare Workers, a Service that permits developers to deploy and run encapsulated versions of their proprietary software source code (each a “Workers Script”) on Cloudflare’s edge servers; (ii) Cloudflare Pages, a JAMstack platform for frontend developers to collaborate and deploy websites; (iii) Cloudflare Queues, a managed message queuing service; (iv) Workers KV, D1, Durable Objects, Vectorize, Hyperdrive, and R2, storage offerings used to serve HTML and non-HTML content...

Key part being the last bit there, they specifically call out products which can be used to serve non-html content as part of the Dev Plat, and Workers is not one of them.

Cloudflare employees in the past have specifically and repeatedly say CDN in front of R2 is fine, but nothing about Workers except really old posts that predate the ToS changes and the blog post.

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chaikasumu2y ago

My understanding is a worker isn't a way around that, they clarified that all in their blog here:

> Video and large files hosted outside of Cloudflare will still be restricted on our CDN

jrochkind12y ago

I continue to be super confused by this. The blog post says, as you quote:

> we made it clear that customers can serve video and other large files using the CDN so long as that content is hosted by a Cloudflare service like Stream, Images, or R2.

But when I click through to the specific CDN terms it still says:

A plain reading of this would still make me think putting the CDN in front of video files on R2 was forbidden. It is now clear that you can use (the very expensive) Stream to serve video, sure.

chaikasumu2y ago

Yea.. the blog post and the terms don't exactly align. Looking at the Terms only, they say "specific Paid Services" and in the Developer Platform Terms, further say

Key part being the last bit there, they specifically call out products which can be used to serve non-html content as part of the Dev Plat, and Workers is not one of them.

Cloudflare employees in the past have specifically and repeatedly say CDN in front of R2 is fine, but nothing about Workers except really old posts that predate the ToS changes and the blog post.

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