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Retr0id2y ago· 5 in thread

It would be nice to have negative filters, e.g. "anything that doesn't mention AI"

Edit: This is not snark, I simply do not wish to work in the AI sector, which seemed over-represented in the most recent Who's Hiring thread.

digging2y ago

By the title, that's exactly what I was actually expecting. It's also what I'd prefer to work with.

hoosieree2y ago

The word "filter" is an auto-antonym. It means both to remove (filter out) unwanted things as well as to keep (filter in) wanted things.

Retr0id2y ago

And yet, if I hadn't specified, it would've been ambiguous.

faitswulff2y ago

Tangential, but this is why I still love Ruby's Enumerable module; it has `#select` and `#reject`, as well as the `#filter` method that people from other languages are used to.

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eurekin2y ago

It's based on a real world filter, which actually is a separator. By that analogy anything that sticks to the filter is considered a waste

godelski2y ago· 4 in thread

It would be really nice to add salaries. I remember there was a past effort where people would actually downvote listings that didn't show salaries. Now it's required in California (though plenty don't, including Mistral....). Honestly, it just saves everyone time and helps keep the market open. Maybe we should also restart the pressure? The template should be updated to reflect this (I swore it used to exist). And then allow us to filter by salaries.

kahnclusions2y ago

I also want to know who is truly remote. So many times a listing says remote from anywhere but then click through to the JD and it’s remote from cali or remote from USA.

judge20202y ago

Why would a listing say 'Remote from anywhere' if it's really USA? Is it just showing 'remote' and only the clickthrough claims where?

True 'remote' from anywhere in the world is tough, not just for working in a team but for taxes and payroll. If it's not a F500 or billion dollar company, you can't really expect them to support working anywhere in the world.

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bugglebeetle2y ago

I commented the same elsewhere. It’s a 10K fine per listing and makes you liable for civil action in certain circumstances. I’m surprised HN even allows posts without salaries, as you’re in violation if anyone from CA could potentially fill the role (e.g. a US-based remote position).

jdksmdbtbdnmsm2y ago

>It’s a 10K fine per listing

Is it? Has even a single party been charged? And if so, what was the enforcement process?

Without unions that strike (key word: strike) workers have no power.

Edit: the $10k is a maximum fine, not a minimum fine. In other words, it's a complete joke.

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minimaxir2y ago· 3 in thread

What's the AI usage here? From the raw JSON data, it seems you wrote a prompt to an LLM to extract structured data from the Who is Hiring comments, although I am not sure if that counts as an "AI filter" since the filtering criteria are explicitly defined beforehand.

bernawilOP2y ago

right, I'm feeding each post to several queries to the openAi API. I guess I put "AI filters" so people knew this is actually curated by post content and not just a contains() filter so you get posts with the text "we don't do remote!" when you select the remote checkbox

superfrank2y ago

Not knocking the approach, but how do you do quality control on the posts? Are you just spot checking? How often have you found bad data?

I've thought about doing something similar (using ChatGPT to structure and categorize unstructured data) for a different project in a completely different space and I'm worried about ChatGPT hallucinating things, especially when it comes to numbers.

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reason55312y ago

I think it might be worthwhile adding a little info box on the website explaining that the data was gathered this way. I was wondering the same about AI usage and only just found the answer after reading hrough the whole discussion. Btw. nice tool!

simonw2y ago· 2 in thread

Here's the underlying repo: https://github.com/bernawil/hn-who-is-hiring

This JSON file has the annotated data: https://github.com/bernawil/hn-who-is-hiring/blob/main/src/H...

Since it's JSON on GitHub you can explore using Datasette Lite like this:

https://lite.datasette.io/?install=datasette-pretty-json&jso...

Here's an example of a custom SQL query: https://lite.datasette.io/?install=datasette-pretty-json&jso...

bernawilOP2y ago

Thanks for this, I didn't know about datasette. Neat!

mrkstu2y ago

simonw is the best kind of spammer- he brings his creation into the discussion- but he does so in a way that enriches the value of what is being discussed.

His tool [Datasette] is of course such that it often is immensely handy at dissecting data in useful ways so is often exactly on point for a discussion on HN...

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bugglebeetle2y ago· 2 in thread

There should be a filter for breaking California law by not including salary details for companies over 15 people:

https://californiapayroll.com/blog/californias-new-pay-trans...

jdksmdbtbdnmsm2y ago

Better idea #1: a filter for posts w/o salary details regardless of useless "laws"

Better idea #2: Unionize and strike because historically nothing else has ever resulted in enforced universal workers' rights.

bernawilOP2y ago

hah not a bad idea at all, watch out for next months update!

PaulRobinson2y ago· 2 in thread

When providing a huge list of technologies, structure them somehow. Alphabetically ordered, for example - I shouldn't have to Ctrl-F to find my preferred programming language.

Great idea, just needs some UX love.

bernawilOP2y ago

you're absolutely right, will get it on a next iteration. Just for now, know you can filter by your tech on the technologies list. Most people are looking for either remote or a specific location, and after choosing one of those honestly there are not that many posts left to sort through.

araes2y ago

I think that's what is being noted. That there's a huge list of technologies, and it would be nice if they could be sorted by some criteria (alphabetical, old->recent tech, grouped (all these are Javascript based), categories (compiled, interpolated, data science, graphics/imagery, ...)

Also, is there a way to put in prior "Who is Hiring?" dates? If people keep putting out the same listing again and again it would be nice to have a way to find. Totally in the Nice to Have category.

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NickC252y ago· 2 in thread

You should also have filters for tech-tangential jobs, such as product, operations, design, etc...

Not everyone here is a developer!

bernawilOP2y ago

will probably do on a future iteration! The current job categories where jus the ones could come up with and then used the openAi api to check for conformance (or not) of each post to it :)

spondylosaurus2y ago

Seconding this, I'd love a filter for technical writers :)

afropack2y ago· 1 in thread

This is cool. You should add counts to the filters and the result list.

simonw2y ago

Here's that data with counts on the filters, via Datasette Lite: https://lite.datasette.io/?install=datasette-pretty-json&jso...

mingyeow2y ago· 1 in thread

Looks very good actually, what is the source of the jobs and ai engine used?

bernawilOP2y ago

the who is hiring monthly post of this site, and the openAi API!

hughdbrown2y ago

I have a similar-but-hacky command-line app that I put together to find just Rust positions:

https://github.com/hughdbrown/who-is-hiring

It's built to be pretty fast by not pulling data it does not need. Since it operates in multiple passes on stored data, it would be easy to modify/add a pass to get what you want. Feel free to use parts you like.

A couple of things I think would help:

- sorted attributes (too hard to go through a hundred computer technologies to find Rust)

- multiple geographic entries for the same name (multiple entries for Germany, USA, UK, Europe)

- ability to select a month

- if you are showing a static pull of the data, the ability to refresh some month would be helpful

jdthedisciple2y ago

Why does it seem so uncommon/unpopular to differentiate positions between entry level and senior in these WIH threads?

I guess because people assume there are only seniors on Hackernews?

I could imagine that being the reason and it would be pretty silly...

atraac2y ago

Would be nice to get a link directly to a post. F.e. links are a bit malformed due to formatting and wanting to see an original post, I had to ctrl+f over the whole thread with parts of the sentence.

gajnadsgjoas2y ago

Can't find any link to the comment, found a good posting but the link inside the comment is cut off

vsnf2y ago

> USA (33)

> USA (4)

> US (3)

> US (1)

> UNITED_STATES (1)

> Europe (5)

> Europe (18)

> EU (1)

> Canada (8)

> Canada (1)

The filters need a bit of consolidation.

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36 comments · 14 top-level

Retr0id2y ago· 5 in thread

It would be nice to have negative filters, e.g. "anything that doesn't mention AI"

Edit: This is not snark, I simply do not wish to work in the AI sector, which seemed over-represented in the most recent Who's Hiring thread.

digging2y ago

By the title, that's exactly what I was actually expecting. It's also what I'd prefer to work with.

hoosieree2y ago

The word "filter" is an auto-antonym. It means both to remove (filter out) unwanted things as well as to keep (filter in) wanted things.

Retr0id2y ago

And yet, if I hadn't specified, it would've been ambiguous.

faitswulff2y ago

Tangential, but this is why I still love Ruby's Enumerable module; it has `#select` and `#reject`, as well as the `#filter` method that people from other languages are used to.

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eurekin2y ago

It's based on a real world filter, which actually is a separator. By that analogy anything that sticks to the filter is considered a waste

godelski2y ago· 4 in thread

kahnclusions2y ago

I also want to know who is truly remote. So many times a listing says remote from anywhere but then click through to the JD and it’s remote from cali or remote from USA.

judge20202y ago

Why would a listing say 'Remote from anywhere' if it's really USA? Is it just showing 'remote' and only the clickthrough claims where?

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bugglebeetle2y ago

jdksmdbtbdnmsm2y ago

>It’s a 10K fine per listing

Is it? Has even a single party been charged? And if so, what was the enforcement process?

Without unions that strike (key word: strike) workers have no power.

Edit: the $10k is a maximum fine, not a minimum fine. In other words, it's a complete joke.

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minimaxir2y ago· 3 in thread

bernawilOP2y ago

superfrank2y ago

Not knocking the approach, but how do you do quality control on the posts? Are you just spot checking? How often have you found bad data?

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reason55312y ago

simonw2y ago· 2 in thread

Here's the underlying repo: https://github.com/bernawil/hn-who-is-hiring

This JSON file has the annotated data: https://github.com/bernawil/hn-who-is-hiring/blob/main/src/H...

Since it's JSON on GitHub you can explore using Datasette Lite like this:

https://lite.datasette.io/?install=datasette-pretty-json&jso...

Here's an example of a custom SQL query: https://lite.datasette.io/?install=datasette-pretty-json&jso...

bernawilOP2y ago

Thanks for this, I didn't know about datasette. Neat!

mrkstu2y ago

simonw is the best kind of spammer- he brings his creation into the discussion- but he does so in a way that enriches the value of what is being discussed.

His tool [Datasette] is of course such that it often is immensely handy at dissecting data in useful ways so is often exactly on point for a discussion on HN...

2 more replies

bugglebeetle2y ago· 2 in thread

There should be a filter for breaking California law by not including salary details for companies over 15 people:

https://californiapayroll.com/blog/californias-new-pay-trans...

jdksmdbtbdnmsm2y ago

Better idea #1: a filter for posts w/o salary details regardless of useless "laws"

Better idea #2: Unionize and strike because historically nothing else has ever resulted in enforced universal workers' rights.

bernawilOP2y ago

hah not a bad idea at all, watch out for next months update!

PaulRobinson2y ago· 2 in thread

When providing a huge list of technologies, structure them somehow. Alphabetically ordered, for example - I shouldn't have to Ctrl-F to find my preferred programming language.

Great idea, just needs some UX love.

bernawilOP2y ago

araes2y ago

Also, is there a way to put in prior "Who is Hiring?" dates? If people keep putting out the same listing again and again it would be nice to have a way to find. Totally in the Nice to Have category.

1 more reply

NickC252y ago· 2 in thread

You should also have filters for tech-tangential jobs, such as product, operations, design, etc...

Not everyone here is a developer!

bernawilOP2y ago

will probably do on a future iteration! The current job categories where jus the ones could come up with and then used the openAi api to check for conformance (or not) of each post to it :)

spondylosaurus2y ago

Seconding this, I'd love a filter for technical writers :)

afropack2y ago· 1 in thread

This is cool. You should add counts to the filters and the result list.

simonw2y ago

Here's that data with counts on the filters, via Datasette Lite: https://lite.datasette.io/?install=datasette-pretty-json&jso...

mingyeow2y ago· 1 in thread

Looks very good actually, what is the source of the jobs and ai engine used?

bernawilOP2y ago

the who is hiring monthly post of this site, and the openAi API!

hughdbrown2y ago

I have a similar-but-hacky command-line app that I put together to find just Rust positions:

https://github.com/hughdbrown/who-is-hiring

A couple of things I think would help:

- sorted attributes (too hard to go through a hundred computer technologies to find Rust)

- multiple geographic entries for the same name (multiple entries for Germany, USA, UK, Europe)

- ability to select a month

- if you are showing a static pull of the data, the ability to refresh some month would be helpful

jdthedisciple2y ago

Why does it seem so uncommon/unpopular to differentiate positions between entry level and senior in these WIH threads?

I guess because people assume there are only seniors on Hackernews?

I could imagine that being the reason and it would be pretty silly...

atraac2y ago

Would be nice to get a link directly to a post. F.e. links are a bit malformed due to formatting and wanting to see an original post, I had to ctrl+f over the whole thread with parts of the sentence.

gajnadsgjoas2y ago

Can't find any link to the comment, found a good posting but the link inside the comment is cut off

vsnf2y ago

> USA (33)

> USA (4)

> US (3)

> US (1)

> UNITED_STATES (1)

> Europe (5)

> Europe (18)

> EU (1)

> Canada (8)

> Canada (1)

The filters need a bit of consolidation.

j / k navigate · click thread line to collapse