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0 pointsrvz2y ago0 comments

Precisely.

This tired 'fair use' excuses from AI bros whilst the GPT has reproduced the article text verbatim, word for word and it being monetized without the permission from the copyright holder and source (NYT) is an obvious copyright violation 101. Full stop.

Again, just like Getty v. Stability, this copyright lawsuit will end in a licensing deal. Apple played it smart with their choice with licensing deals to train their GPT [0]. But this time, OpenAI knew they could get a license to train on NYT articles but chose not to.

[0] https://9to5mac.com/2023/12/22/apple-wants-to-train-its-ai-w...

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chatmasta2y ago· 6 in thread

> AI bros

What (or whom) do you consider to be an "AI bro?"

This sort of ad hominem generalization usually accompanies a weak argument.

vidarh2y ago

I generally tend to downvote comments that use "x bros" for pretty much any x on sight for that reason. It's exceedingly rare for such a comment to be much more than a thinly veiled insult with little substance. Sometimes I might even agree with the insult, but it's still rarely appropriate here.

beau_g2y ago

Young males that wear Tensorflow branded muscle tank tops and drive Mitsubishi Eclipse convertibles with the vanity plate OVERFIT. They are everywhere these days.

danielbln2y ago

https://i.imgur.com/4tF7q8M.jpg

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jakderrida2y ago

Thank you for the absurd visual. The vanity plate, especially, was worth saving for last. Somehow, the car is well suited, also. Love how they prefer Tensorflow over Pytorch, too.

irq2y ago

Not saying I agree with this labeling, but it means approximately the same thing as “crypto bro”, but for AI

satvikpendem2y ago

It seems to be used by people who've previously used the term "tech bro."

throwup2382y ago

The four factors considered in a fair use test:

    the purpose and character of the use
    the nature of the copyrighted work
    the amount and substantiality of the portion taken
    the effect of the use upon the potential market.

Literally every single one of these factors has very complicated precedent and each one is an open question when it comes to AI. Since fair use is a balancing test this could go any way.

Stability took the easy way out because they didn't have billions of dollars to play around with and Microsoft to back them. Let's see what OpenAI does but calling everyone who disagrees with your naive interpretation of fair use "AI bros" is doing everyone a disservice.

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