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0 pointsMaxBarraclough2y ago0 comments

> s*t on Firefox devs

The nerd rage is targeted at Mozilla's dishonest and incompetent managers, no? The actual dev work is top notch.

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> dishonest and incompetent managers

Even if it is, that kind of language doesn't help. These are all people you're talking about, trying their best to do a job they care about. Nothing gets better by your being a jerk.

Ridj48dhsnsh2y ago

> trying their best to do a job they care about

I would not take that as a given for Mozilla's upper management. Many of their decisions seem to ignore what users want in deference to Google or other motivations.

wolverine8762y ago

Comments like yours are exactly the problem. Do you have any real knowledge anyway? Have you worked there? It's just spreading toxic sludge.

asadotzler2y ago

You're just making shit up. I was with the Mozilla project for 25 years, with Netscape and then the Mozilla companies for 23 years. I was involved in reviews of the very first Google and Mozilla contract in the fall of 2004. Google has no say in the Mozilla product experience. None. There are some things Mozilla is disallowed from doing to Google Search results that Firefox displays, but that's basically it. That you want to imagine nefarious backroom deals that never existed and use those imaginings to shit on Mozilla is deeply insulting, and you should know that you and people like you have done more to dispirit and demoralize Mozilla than any competition ever did.

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MaxBarracloughOP2y ago

There's a difference between criticism and harassment. Dishonest and incompetent aren't just mean words chosen at random, I used them for a reason.

Power users aren't happy that Firefox has been doing nothing but trailing Chrome for years, actively making the browser worse for power users by weakening extensions, baking ads into the browser, wilfully refusing to permit opt-out of telemetry, and lying about revenue-sharing with Pocket. [0][1][2][3][4][5][6]

Mozilla gave its CEO a raise of over $1m/year, from a starting point that was already over $1m/year, at a time when Firefox was losing usage share, while laying off engineers. Mozilla did all this while congratulating itself for putting people before profits! [7][8][9][10]

I still use Firefox as my primary desktop browser, and I really want to like Mozilla, but here we are.

(As an aside, I see Pocket is finally going to be made Free and Open Source Software, which is good news. [11])

[0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36841567

[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24144137

[2] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23391659

[3] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14754740

[4] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22616740

[5] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10680925

[6] https://techcrunch.com/2022/11/17/mozilla-looks-to-its-next-...

[7] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24569464

[8] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30723971

[9] https://calpaterson.com/mozilla.html

[10] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitchell_Baker#Negative_salary...

[11] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pocket_(service)

throwawaymoz282y ago

I worked at Mozilla as an engineer for 6 years and this was not how it came across to me; there was, in fact, quite a lot of hostility towards engineers specifically.

I would also note that "managers" runs quite a wide gamut and my experience with engineering managers at Mozilla was generally positive; upper management was not so great.

emestifs2y ago

No, people go after the devs too. I was specific about distinguishing Firefox and Mozilla in my post. Firefox in too often caught in the political/flame crossfire.

account422y ago

Devs that implement user-hostile changes like reduced UI configurability, sure.

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