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0 pointsgoosedragons2y ago0 comments

That doesn't mean that strategy games were only 4X back then...

Plenty of strategy games prior to Civilization that weren't 4X or 3X, Fire Emblem, North and South, Nobunaga's Ambition, etc.

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thaumasiotes2y ago· 2 in thread

I haven't played those, so I'm going off what I can learn about them in a reasonable time frame.

A contemporary review of the first Fire Emblem game to release outside Japan shows one reviewer referring to it as "turn-based strategy" at the same time that another reviewer (writing in the same magazine, possibly cooperating on the same review?) says it's a "tactical RPG". That second description matches the uninformed impression I had of the series and also matches how it's described on Wikipedia. Plus, this isn't exactly an early usage - Fire Emblem first released in 2003.

Nobunaga's Ambition seems like it would fit perfectly in a genre defined by Civilization and Empire; I'm not sure why you're saying it's not a 3X game? And the same appears to be true of North and South.

goosedragonsOP2y ago

Fire Emblem was first released in 1990, the first western release was in 2003. Tactical RPG and Strategy RPG are the same thing and the two terms are used interchangeably.

4X games like Civ have exploration as a key element with players starting off on the same foot. Grand Strategy games like Nobunaga don't. I guess it could be "3X" but it depends what X you remove.

thaumasiotes2y ago

> Fire Emblem was first released in 1990, the first western release was in 2003.

Right, the Japanese release date isn't relevant to what it was called in English.

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