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0 pointspech0rin2y ago0 comments

I’m sorry but what? This is terrible advice. I have never understood the desire to keep the web “inclusive”. Is the web not already inclusive? Can someone not already build a website with simple html/css?

The web has evolved and taken the place of desktop apps by and large. That is what SaaS has done. These websites are built to be fully functioning pieces of complex software. Using some tiny tools to markup html is never going to work for these types of applications.

I find this hand wringing over the complexity of the web so strange. Can we all just move on? The web has changed. I have been programming for over 15 years professionally. Yeah its changed. yeah frontend frameworks are a pain in the ass a lot of the time. So lets make it better, not fall backwards to a “simpler” time.

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tonyennis2y ago· 1 in thread

"fully functioning pieces of complex software" - in my experience a majority of software is simply not that complex. And the few places where it is are not on the view layer. To make sure we're not talking past each other, can you give examples of the kinds of software you're talking about? We do quite a lot of react work too, but it's ~20% of the projects we work on, when advanced frontend interactivity is needed.

codeptualize2y ago

> "Not that complex"

Even if you have a fully static website you generally have a navigation bar and footer that needs to be on multiple pages.

Things don't need to get very complex to benefit from frameworks and tooling.

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zlg_codes2y ago

I'm sorry, but the majority of the change has been inflicted by for-profit outfits who EEE'd the W3C to get what they wanted. None of us asked for a Javascript-dominated Web where you download megabytes of code before you see the first page.

You make it better by separating concerns or finding better ways to do the same thing.

By this point, QUIC and HTTP should fork instead of QUIC insisting on taking over HTTP.

We can make this space better by pushing out complex "web" applications to their own protocol they can fuck up on their own instead of pushing the system requirements of a browser up every year.

codeptualize2y ago

This is a very good point. I would also look in different directions for inclusivity.

We now have Framer, Webflow and all the others, you don't have to write any code to make amazing websites.

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