This is emblematic in the message boxes that offer a choice between Yes and Not Now/Maybe Later. It takes real effort to make Windows accept a No.
Thank God for all of you free software types, or I'd have nothing to boot instead!
Don't be too happy as SecureBoot will not make you want too long until required to register your free software in some 3-4 letter government agency to be able to boot it. At least in Europe.
No junkware pre-installed, consistent settings interfaces (not three ways to configure a setting), and no telemetry or dark patterns.
Windows 10: From my Cold, Dead Hands.
Apple still irks me, though. Boot Safari, go and download Chrome. Install it. Which isn't silent, and requires multiple manual steps. Boot Chrome.
"Do you really want to use Chrome? (paraphrasing) Keep using Safari (the default option) or Switch to Chrome"
You know the user didn't accidentally download and install and start Chrome. Don't fucking ask.
(A) what is it actually asking though. Paraphrasing doesn't help here. Is it asking about changing the default? Is it asking if you want to run it?
(B) google has a notorious history of pushing people to install chrome from their other properties, and it seems plausible that chrome is in fact the latest iteration of user-installed malware that a reasonable number of people install without really knowing why.
If that doesn't work, maybe they will use more hostile methods of coercion. For example, they could make it a service that restarts every 5 minutes after you kill it. They could also prevent you from disabling the service.
The only way to make me want to use it is to change in a way that they do not force me to provide reasons for me not wanting to use their software.
I doubt it. They probably care about things that are easy to measure like "engagement with the feature". Doesn't matter if the user is spitting mad the whole time.
I guess you haven't used Microsoft products for long enough. They don't give a s** for what the user prefers. Their GUI is antiuser.
So I closed it and when I need to look at the calendar now, I use my Macbook instead.
It's so infuriating how Windows is turning into a total shitshow lately.
I barely have words to describe how much I hate this.
> It takes real effort to make Windows accept a No.
At work I open the task manager and just start assassinating processes left and right. I wish they'd give me administrator access so I could fix this thing permanently.
Not just windows. People, especially in business, are not ready to deal with reality. See the whole "No means no" Debacle
These are showing up more and more in macOS and iOS as well. Absolutely infuriating. UX designed by marketers.
Seriously. I'm genuinely confused. MS never had the best UI (hello MS Word toolbars) but those happened over time through attrition and added features.
This is one of many intentional user-hostile experiences.
Some exec: "Why are people quitting OneDrive?"
Some PM: "I don't know."
Some exec: "We should do an exit poll."
Some exec: "Why are people quittin OneDrive?"
Some PM: "Those that answer say ____, but a lot of people don't answer the exit poll."
Some exec: "We should force them to answer"
Some PM: "Fine."
I've been wondering about that since the day I noticed that they include the Xbox app on the enterprise version of Windows 10 and 11.
- “Let’s make decisions based on metrics”, and
- “Let’s gather even more metrics”.
In any case it was not acting in the user’s best interest.
I mean this one instance of dumb UI clearly isn’t the end of the world. But every stupid little UI quirk like this reinforces the overall sloppy feeling of the OS.
This naturally broke a stack of apps and scripts,and my expectations. And as explorer seems to do some magic to make it /look/ like everything is in the same place, but then causes inconsistency with other ways of accessing folders, breaks decades of learned experience on how the model of files and folders work.
And this was still on windows 10 - at least if there's an upgrade migration you /expect/ some things to work a bit differently, and then have the option of not upgrading if that behavior is important. But what's the point of having "versions" if you just backport all the breaking changes anyway?
Imagine my surprise when I get an automated email from a customer Microsoft 365 tenant saying that I had shared content that violates their corporate policy.
No I hadn't.
Microsoft did. They hoovered up my content, shoved it into the customer's OneDrive, and then applied data loss prevention (DLP) policy. You know... to stop people sharing things through OneDrive they shouldn't be.
It's just unfathomable to me that we've all just rolled over and accepted this as normal. Literal dark patterns by every definition of the term designed to coerce and trick everyone in the world to store their data in Microsoft's cloud whether they choose to or not.
Secrets. Passwords. Source code. Classified documents. Private pictures of my family. Pictures of my naked children.
Sluuuuurp!
Got to meet those KPIs at any cost.
If anyone from Microsoft is lurking in this thread: THIS is how megacorporations end. This. You take a giant shit on your evangelists, your technical experts, then they'll jump ship. The other 99% of users don't matter. They really don't. They'll follow where the 1% go. This has played out over and over. It destroyed Digg. It destroyed Slashdot. It destroyed IBM. It will destroy Microsoft in time.
PS: Because of this incident I now refuse to store anything in any of the pre-defined folders like "Documents" or "Pictures". I keep everything in a separate folder hierarchy outside of my user profile because I can no longer trust my own personal computer to keep files where I put them.
Why not simply choose a worthy cause? Why not evangelise freedom, privacy, and security focused, community driven, projects, and be a part of a community that not only needs you but appreciates you?
Software developers / designers do not respect or value users' muscle memory they spent half a lifetime developing at all. Even in products which ostensibly do want their users to develop expertise without being advertisement driven, such as Excel, Powerpoint or Word. Imagine if cars worked the same way: Every time you bought a new car, the steering wheel, pedals and so on are shuffled around because "users learn to drive 0.01% faster according to a AB-tests" or whatever. Fuck everyone who already got their license I guess.
Can you elaborate about shutup10 ?
A great example of why you should be using environment variables and the proper system API calls to determine path locations, not hard coding them. But never let an opportunity to blame Microsoft for poor application code go to waste.
Sounds like your expectations are a bit low.
Please enlighten me on what should be used instead.
My partner was on Windows 10 and was running into some issues with OneDrive. Apparently it just moved the entire user directory (or something like that) to OneDrive and most of his files were not local. We tried to disable OneDrive and his Desktop just disappeared.
We finally just got rid of it, but it was a pain and I don't think he ever turned it on. At least not purposefully.
Also please don't say to just use Proton and SteamOS for gaming. I have had enough issues with games not working under proton (Particularly if not from Steam) or updates breaking games on my Steam Deck that I also use Windows LTS on my Steam Deck most of the time now.
Edit: I remember what the problem was. he ran out of space. So the service that he didn't sign up for (at least purposefully) that synced his entire home directory stopped syncing because he ran out of space on it, and his files are basically being held hostage by OneDrive.
But it feels like when you need to disable it or whatever it's not jumping through hoops. If I want to disable iCloud Drive on my Mac, as long as I wasn't working out of iCloud Drive things just keep working as expected.
It's interesting to note how different the experience of different users is. Makes me curious what part of the stack is causing such massively divergent outcomes. Graphics driver? Window manager? Distro defaults?
Tough issue to debug. I hope someone over at Valve is studying it so the Linux experience can become better for more people.
A big example of a game that I had to jump through hoops (and just gave up and switched to Windows) was Kingdom Hearts. FF14 (not through Steam) was another example of a game that I got to work fairly well, but the steps to get it working was weird and meant I lost the syncing the real launcher had.
However I do want to mention that I actually did some comparisons, and at least on my steam deck I got better battery life and performance on games running on Windows 10 LTS vs the same games running on SteamOS.
I didn't do extensive testing, but enough to make the choice fairly easy and remove any compatibility issues.
If it works, it works. But LTSC users are like that meme of the smug guy on a plank, aiming at the dude who's keeping them from falling off a cliff.
But if I remember correctly I found a script to remove OneDrive that would first download all of the files locally.
Something similar happened to my father-in-law. He called one day saying that every time he saved a file in Word, he couldn’t find it again later. It ended up being that either all his files were saving into OneDrive but the “Documents” shortcut in Explorer was the local directory, or vice versa. That was also my first experience with the god awful Save dialog in recent versions of Office.
You can’t just upend where something as critical as where someone’s files end up, especially not for non-technical users. It’s absurdly bad.
For W11 the list is at Settings > Apps > Installed Apps.
Up until fairly recently in this list, OneDrive was one of the ones (like Edge) where the Uninstall button was greyed out even for administrative users.
To get rid of it required more extensive hacking than casual users would be expected to do.
In the latest Windows versions the Uninstall button for OneDrive is finally functional, but when you do uninstall it takes quite some time before there is any visible response to confirm your action. Unlike other items on the list which uninstall quite rapidly.
For W10 you click the entire banner of an App to get the Uninstall submenu, but for W11 the whole banner is no longer active and you click the 3-dot ellipsis "trail of poop" icon instead.
Regardless whether an app on the list is that directly uninstallable or not, you might still benefit from hitting the submenu on every single app to access its Advancd Options selection where you can then disable the app's ability to run in the background. Especially for apps which are absolutely no use to you at all, if you can't directly uninstall, at least inhibit the uselessness to the extent within reach.
I've uninstalled OD on 100+ systems. It's always followed the pattern of other crapware; it goes away until the next major update.
It's still incredibly annoying, though. It's not something that brings benefit to me, so it's not something I ever use.
Still need Windows for a few things. Like playing my GOG.com games. No, Heroic or Lutris do not work well. With the exception of playing the rebuilds of Diablo I.
My next gaming machine will likely be Linux only if I ever get myself to finish the OG Baldur's Gate I and II. You can buy the Enhanced Edition on GOG and put in a support request to have the original added to your library. I bought the original when it came out on GOG. You may want to do that for mods or if you just prefer the original.
edit: To clarify: I want to be able use GOG Galaxy for game syncing and convenience. That does not work well in my experience with Proton.
It should be the law that PMs have their faces on such things to promote the same trust we feel towards real estate agents. Privacy policy when signing up? The PM should be there, being responsible.
Your joke just reminded me of that.
edit: sarcasm. Remind me not to use dark humor here.
To become Senior Product Managers. You can't advance your career without putting your mark on the product.
"Yeah, he ruined the product, let's promote him to Senior Product Manager" is not a thing that people say very often.
Clearly they've never used Windows Server.
[1] https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/msoffice/forum/all/onedr...
...right?
UPDATE: I read the thread, and was even more disappointed: none of the official responses even acknowledged the entirety of the problem and callously disregarded important points like OneDrive for Business vs. Personal, the hard evidence of corruption, and MS' twisted messaging on backups for OneDrive...
Using Linux nowadays is nothing like trying to use Linux 2 decades ago. Many common distros are easy to use and have intuitive, familiar interfaces. I haven't missed Windows a single time since making the switch.
The list goes on and on and on. I cant blame their devs, i can see product management written all over these “features”.
reg add HKCU\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Search /v BingSearchEnabled /t REG_DWORD /d 0 /f
reg add HKCU\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Search /v CortanaConsent /t REG_DWORD /d 0 /fThis trend is just tacky.
If yes:
- prompted to submit 5 star review
- prompted to submit an internal feedback formDo your job and shut up; you’re a program.
website: This page is better in app!
user: and who's fault is that?
I’m going to guess that the intersection of people who actively close unneeded background programs, and the users who are willing to explore alternatives overlaps quite a bit. This seems like a really shortsighted decision on Microsoft’s part.
If you only have a local account, OneDrive has nothing to sync to, right?
Only if you're trying to annoy your users as much as possible. Especially for something like a server, where presumably if the operator thinks Microsoft's help is required, they'll ask for it.
Besides, they're the only people making an OS that regularly needs to be restarted anyway.
Here are the options the app lets you pick:
I do not want OneDrive running all the time
I do not know what OneDrive is
I do not use OneDrive
I am trying to fix a problem with OneDrive
I am trying to speed up my computer
I get too many notifications
Other
Sadly, there is no "none of your business, let me quit" option.
And of course you can't disable the marketing notifications without also disabling the file conflict and storage limit warnings.
Several times a year I get a phone call at 6:30AM from her asking to quickly drive to her house before her shift starts at 7 to fix her computer, because "something happened" or "I was hacked". Every time, it's been an update which has reset her default apps so email opens in the newish Mail app and not Outlook or Gmail-in-Chrome, or changes the browser to Edge from Chrome. I'm not a systems administrator, so I havent a clue on what the magical incantations of registry paths and values should be which prevent this despite trying.
Obviously if this was a domain managed asset at a company, someone would know how to prevent this. As a "home device", it feels like you're automatically enrolled in the "Global Microsoft domain", and subject to the whims of a product manager making IT decisions.
Yeah. That and their employers, customer base, relatives, biz associates....
You found a wealth of ways to repeat the word "work."
That in itself is a huge accomplishment.
OneDrive version: Build 23.214.1015.0001 (64-bit)
Are you sure you want to close OneDrive?
If you close OneDrive, files in your OneDrive folder won't sync with your
files online.
[Close OneDrive][Cancel]Honestly the only thing keeping me from updating from Windows 10 to Windows 11 is that the ads and forced behaviors are an order of magnitude greater in their shittiness.
Microsoft closed OneDrive without user input, terminating all synchronization of shared files for the following reasons :
( ) Bad coding- error
( ) Updating unrelated application, sorry we didn't restart the application.
( ) Did we crash OneDrive?! Are you sure?
( ) We prefer that you use M365 online
( ) OtherIt took them years to realize that part of the creation of a new account was the question about your work. Since the employees of the bank did not want to bother customers with these silly questions, they were picking the first one - agriculteur (farmer).
You get the stats you deserve.
RIP "bicycle for the mind", hello "fuzzy handcuffs for the mind".
When I worked there the job of PMs, and many managers, seemed to be to figure out how to appear polite while attempting to distort common sense to get their metrics pumped up.
Just yesterday I was fascinated by the Bing bar adware in the DirectX installer[1] which is not even working in Win10 [2].
[1]: https://www.reddit.com/r/assholedesign/comments/iefa47/this_...
[2]: https://www.reddit.com/r/Windows10/comments/91sf3p/forgot_to...
I was wrong, and it’s very clear I was wrong. It’s a shame really and kind of sad. It’s like your favorite hammer turning against you; a tool you’ve used for decades decides to self-immolate. Or maybe a hammer that you’ve used for decades and then started playing an ad and tracking your location every time you pick it up.
Terrible.
OneDrive is the worst background process I’ve ever run and at least once a day, I have to kill the process because it’s maxing my cpus. Over something stupid like syncing a random file that hasn’t been opened or changed in a year.
It’s curious how bad it is.
I dread the moment I am forced to switch from Windows 10 because they said there will be no Windows 12.
It feels like part of the whole trend of constant polling and setting tips at 18-30%.
Microsoft, you should be better than this.
> please drink verification can
Greentext. Why people put up with this crap in their lives is beyond me.
But nudging in direction/reminding of backups at appropriate times - I actually applaud it. Let people think about it for a while.
Sounds like somebody never ran Windows Server.