Fogcreek is shutting down webputty.net and has pushed the source code to github (opens in new tab)

(blog.fogcreek.com)

88 pointsbgraves14y ago29 comments

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tghw14y ago· 8 in thread

WebPutty dev here. Feel free to shoot us any questions here on HN or on twitter @webputty.

The most annoying thing is the name. Putty is a well known SSH client and terminal emulator. On seeing the name WebPutty I'd believed Putty had been ported to a web interface.

ComputerGuru14y ago

Same here. Would have just upvoted, but upvote counts aren't visible and people are replying to disagree.

I figured this was a web-based SSH terminal, which is pretty cool. Adding "Web" prefix to a popular product's name pretty clearly implies a web port.

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freehunter14y ago

I had never heard of WebPutty until this post, and when I saw the headline I got excited that I could install PuTTY and use it in my browser. I understand where the devs got the name as explained in the post down below this, but even clever names need to have some consideration of existing product names.

benatkin14y ago

I disagree. Prefixing names with "Web" is common but not pervasive. "Putty" is just an English word. BTW the SSH client is actually called PuTTY.

tghw14y ago

That's not a question. :)

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thestranger14y ago

I'm following the step-by-step instructions to run it on my google app engine account, but I get an error when I run "fab deploy." It asks me for my email and does a bunch of stuff, but then this happens:

Zipping ziplibs. Traceback (most recent call last): File "/Library/Python/2.6/site-packages/fabric/main.py", line 712, in main args, kwargs

  File "/Library/Python/2.6/site-packages/fabric/tasks.py", line 327, in execute
    results['<local-only>'] = task.run(*args, **new_kwargs)

  File "/Library/Python/2.6/site-packages/fabric/tasks.py", line 112, in run
    return self.wrapped(*args, **kwargs)

  File "/Users/swiss/webapps/WebPutty/fabfile.py", line 53, in decorated_func
    return func(*args, **kwargs)

  File "/Users/swiss/webapps/WebPutty/fabfile.py", line 66, in deploy
    ziplibs(env.deploy_path)

  File "/Users/swiss/webapps/WebPutty/fabfile.py", line 178, in ziplibs
    os.path.walk(to_zip, add_file, (zip_file, os.path.dirname(to_zip)))

  File "/System/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.6/lib/python2.6/posixpath.py", line 224, in walk
    func(arg, top, names)

  File "/Users/swiss/webapps/WebPutty/fabfile.py", line 177, in add_file
    zip_file.write(os.path.join(dir_name, name), os.path.join(dir_name[len(common_base):], name))

  File "/System/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.6/lib/python2.6/zipfile.py", line 1024, in write
    fp = open(filename, "rb")

IOError: [Errno 21] Is a directory
Any idea what the problem is?

nikcub14y ago

It is attempting to zip a directory in the fabfile. You don't need to zip the contents of an app to deploy it. Try deploying using the SDK directly with:

$ python2.5 appcfg.py -A appname update .

replace 'appname' with the name of the app you registered.

tghw14y ago

Try taking the ziplibs(env.deploy_path) call out. It's not strictly necessary.

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mikecaron14y ago· 3 in thread

Isn't that gecko the Notepad++ icon?

http://notepad-plus-plus.org/assets/img/logo-green-orange.pn...

bgravesOP14y ago

Robert Hayes designed the icon for notepad++[1] Looks like FogCreek had explicit permission to use the icon [2]

[1] http://sourceforge.net/projects/notepad-plus/forums/forum/33...

[2] https://github.com/FogCreek/WebPutty/

eggbrain14y ago

I was surprised as well to see that, they addressed that here:

http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2787082

Apparently 259 days wasn't long enough to find a replacement ;)

tghw14y ago

It was never a particularly high priority, especially once we decided to release it to the community.

ra3don9214y ago· 3 in thread

This looks great, I wasn't aware this existed. Can anyone share some similar tools they use to speed up that Ctrl+S and changing between windows process that happens when editing CSS?

web_chops14y ago

Not for editing the whole website, but we have launched a web widget editor recently (http://designduke.com). You can edit individual HTML widgets like buttons, input boxes, forms etc :)

ra3don9214y ago

Neat! I would like to point out that the intro text right under the header is a bit hard to read with that blue background.

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swah14y ago

I just play with Chrome's dev tools and then copy the changes I made to CSS.

donw14y ago· 2 in thread

This is just yet one more example how Fog Creek, as a company, consistently demonstrates that they are a classy bunch of guys.

They treat their customers and developers well, Joel has contributed quite a bit of knowledge to the startup community, and on top of that, open-sourcing a dead product so that its fans can keep it going should they want to.

mhp14y ago

Thanks for your comments. The two devs who built the entire site, and pushed for open sourcing it are amazing people, and we're lucky to get to work with them.

We're hiring BTW. Need more Trello devs. Check out our tech stack: http://blog.fogcreek.com/the-trello-tech-stack/ and join us if you find it interesting.

http://www.fogcreek.com/careers.html

exim14y ago

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v...

from "Make Better Software: Recruiting", Joel Spolsky.

This is actually quite discouraging regarding applying for a full-time job at FogCreek.

Many people don't hate their current jobs but still are looking for better opportunities. And it's a good thing.

112358132114y ago· 1 in thread

Thanks for open-sourcing it.

I wanted to use it but couldn't find a way to use a tool that didn't play with source control. It didn't work for sites too simple to need Git because it only hosted CSS and thus made the project too complex.

tghw14y ago

There were always plans to integrate it with Kiln's commit API (https://developers.fogbugz.com/default.asp?W166#toc_18) but unfortunately, the resources were not there.

bgravesOP14y ago

More information on the background of webputty [1] and why it was open-sourced [2]

[1] http://tghw.com/blog/lean-development-zero-to-launch-in-six-...

[2] http://blog.fogcreek.com/whats-up-with-webputty/?fccmp=webpu...

ElliotH14y ago

A pity, I use this frequently, all my sites use this for CSS simply because they're small and make small style fixes easy.

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24 comments · 7 top-level

tghw14y ago· 8 in thread

WebPutty dev here. Feel free to shoot us any questions here on HN or on twitter @webputty.

rogerbinns14y ago

The most annoying thing is the name. Putty is a well known SSH client and terminal emulator. On seeing the name WebPutty I'd believed Putty had been ported to a web interface.

ComputerGuru14y ago

Same here. Would have just upvoted, but upvote counts aren't visible and people are replying to disagree.

I figured this was a web-based SSH terminal, which is pretty cool. Adding "Web" prefix to a popular product's name pretty clearly implies a web port.

1 more reply

freehunter14y ago

benatkin14y ago

I disagree. Prefixing names with "Web" is common but not pervasive. "Putty" is just an English word. BTW the SSH client is actually called PuTTY.

tghw14y ago

That's not a question. :)

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thestranger14y ago

Zipping ziplibs. Traceback (most recent call last): File "/Library/Python/2.6/site-packages/fabric/main.py", line 712, in main args, kwargs

  File "/Library/Python/2.6/site-packages/fabric/tasks.py", line 327, in execute
    results['<local-only>'] = task.run(*args, **new_kwargs)

  File "/Library/Python/2.6/site-packages/fabric/tasks.py", line 112, in run
    return self.wrapped(*args, **kwargs)

  File "/Users/swiss/webapps/WebPutty/fabfile.py", line 53, in decorated_func
    return func(*args, **kwargs)

  File "/Users/swiss/webapps/WebPutty/fabfile.py", line 66, in deploy
    ziplibs(env.deploy_path)

  File "/Users/swiss/webapps/WebPutty/fabfile.py", line 178, in ziplibs
    os.path.walk(to_zip, add_file, (zip_file, os.path.dirname(to_zip)))

  File "/System/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.6/lib/python2.6/posixpath.py", line 224, in walk
    func(arg, top, names)

  File "/Users/swiss/webapps/WebPutty/fabfile.py", line 177, in add_file
    zip_file.write(os.path.join(dir_name, name), os.path.join(dir_name[len(common_base):], name))

  File "/System/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.6/lib/python2.6/zipfile.py", line 1024, in write
    fp = open(filename, "rb")

IOError: [Errno 21] Is a directory
Any idea what the problem is?

nikcub14y ago

It is attempting to zip a directory in the fabfile. You don't need to zip the contents of an app to deploy it. Try deploying using the SDK directly with:

$ python2.5 appcfg.py -A appname update .

replace 'appname' with the name of the app you registered.

tghw14y ago

Try taking the ziplibs(env.deploy_path) call out. It's not strictly necessary.

1 more reply

mikecaron14y ago· 3 in thread

Isn't that gecko the Notepad++ icon?

http://notepad-plus-plus.org/assets/img/logo-green-orange.pn...

bgravesOP14y ago

Robert Hayes designed the icon for notepad++[1] Looks like FogCreek had explicit permission to use the icon [2]

[1] http://sourceforge.net/projects/notepad-plus/forums/forum/33...

[2] https://github.com/FogCreek/WebPutty/

eggbrain14y ago

I was surprised as well to see that, they addressed that here:

http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2787082

Apparently 259 days wasn't long enough to find a replacement ;)

tghw14y ago

It was never a particularly high priority, especially once we decided to release it to the community.

ra3don9214y ago· 3 in thread

This looks great, I wasn't aware this existed. Can anyone share some similar tools they use to speed up that Ctrl+S and changing between windows process that happens when editing CSS?

web_chops14y ago

Not for editing the whole website, but we have launched a web widget editor recently (http://designduke.com). You can edit individual HTML widgets like buttons, input boxes, forms etc :)

ra3don9214y ago

Neat! I would like to point out that the intro text right under the header is a bit hard to read with that blue background.

1 more reply

swah14y ago

I just play with Chrome's dev tools and then copy the changes I made to CSS.

donw14y ago· 2 in thread

This is just yet one more example how Fog Creek, as a company, consistently demonstrates that they are a classy bunch of guys.

mhp14y ago

Thanks for your comments. The two devs who built the entire site, and pushed for open sourcing it are amazing people, and we're lucky to get to work with them.

We're hiring BTW. Need more Trello devs. Check out our tech stack: http://blog.fogcreek.com/the-trello-tech-stack/ and join us if you find it interesting.

http://www.fogcreek.com/careers.html

exim14y ago

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v...

from "Make Better Software: Recruiting", Joel Spolsky.

This is actually quite discouraging regarding applying for a full-time job at FogCreek.

Many people don't hate their current jobs but still are looking for better opportunities. And it's a good thing.

112358132114y ago· 1 in thread

Thanks for open-sourcing it.

tghw14y ago

There were always plans to integrate it with Kiln's commit API (https://developers.fogbugz.com/default.asp?W166#toc_18) but unfortunately, the resources were not there.

bgravesOP14y ago

More information on the background of webputty [1] and why it was open-sourced [2]

[1] http://tghw.com/blog/lean-development-zero-to-launch-in-six-...

[2] http://blog.fogcreek.com/whats-up-with-webputty/?fccmp=webpu...

ElliotH14y ago

A pity, I use this frequently, all my sites use this for CSS simply because they're small and make small style fixes easy.

j / k navigate · click thread line to collapse