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0 pointsRandomLensman2y ago0 comments

Companies are totally entitled to stick to the law, but they also need to then deal with the fact that narrow compliance with the law might bring them into conflict with parts of society (who in turn might stick to the law in dealing with them).

That said, we already have determined that generally just "sticking to the law" isn't a great defense in all situations anyway.

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mytailorisrich2y ago

In a free society based on the rule of law, you cannot demand that anyone goes beyond the law. That's a key principle.

Now, as mentioned, in business other parties can also use their legal rights to bring about negotiations, but let's not depict Tesla as horrible for simply staying within the law...

RandomLensmanOP2y ago

We have long determined that the rule of law is only one component of a functioning society. There is a lot of stuff beyond the rule of law that makes things work. Anyone not understanding that will have trouble in any society.

mytailorisrich2y ago

And mob rule is a recipe for a nasty society...

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ben_w2y ago

> you cannot demand that anyone goes beyond the law

Sure you can — "sign this contract to get this result" — just so long as you yourself aren't breaking the law in making the demand.

mcv2y ago

Would you be happy in a society where everybody lies to you all the time? Lying isn't illegal (except under oath), but it would make for a really shitty society.

You can absolutely expect people to do more than just obey the law. Everybody does. Tesla does not, and that may lead Tesla's employees to use their perfectly legal right to strike. And by your standards, you can't demand that they don't strike, because it's legal.

But it's a shitty basis for a relationship. If Tesla wants its workers to do good work for them, they need to listen to their workers.

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0 pointsRandomLensman2y ago0 comments

That said, we already have determined that generally just "sticking to the law" isn't a great defense in all situations anyway.

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mytailorisrich2y ago

In a free society based on the rule of law, you cannot demand that anyone goes beyond the law. That's a key principle.

Now, as mentioned, in business other parties can also use their legal rights to bring about negotiations, but let's not depict Tesla as horrible for simply staying within the law...

RandomLensmanOP2y ago

mytailorisrich2y ago

And mob rule is a recipe for a nasty society...

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ben_w2y ago

> you cannot demand that anyone goes beyond the law

Sure you can — "sign this contract to get this result" — just so long as you yourself aren't breaking the law in making the demand.

mcv2y ago

Would you be happy in a society where everybody lies to you all the time? Lying isn't illegal (except under oath), but it would make for a really shitty society.

But it's a shitty basis for a relationship. If Tesla wants its workers to do good work for them, they need to listen to their workers.

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