> When is this argument going to die? Should all provinces in every country declare independence and take back control from the supra-provincial government? Should all cities in all provinces declare independence from the provincial governments too? Should every neighbourhood....?
If you are not aware, you should look up the Catalonian referendums and the Scottish National party. Also What about Kosovo? Because something exists does not mean it can not be dissolved or changed.
Bizarrely, when it comes to the EU, most people like you say, well it's there now what do you want to do about it? But the states in Europe were there as well before the CEE and before the EU, shouldn't the same rule apply then?
It is perfectly possible and acceptable for people to decide their fate. If a certain part of a country wants to be independent, why not grant them?
> You can keep going on about the "supra-national agencies" for as long as you want. At the end of the day your argument rests on the assumption that the nation state is the final form of sovereignty, and there's just no God-given reason for that to be the case.
I don't know about the god given reasons. But I do know that a nation is made of a history, a culture, a language, common values and a common identity.
You can't just wave a wand in the air and say to 500 million people, here you go, you are no longer French, German or Spanish, you are European. It's been tried in the past with arbitrary borders being drawn between India and Pakistan and as well in Africa. We can see the results of that now.
> Entities form political and economic alliances when it is beneficial to do so. There are costs associated with the benefits of course, and those must be evaluated. Your argument that it's inherently bad because "It's not a sovereign nation state any more", is just a rather weak, but infectious, talking point. I don't understand why people keep regurgitating it.
Absolutely but there is a difference between an alliance and a supra national authority that can impose rules and regulations to it's members. Then its not an alliance, that's being a vassal to another state/entity.
A sovereign state can decide it's fate and decide what is beneficial for itself and it's citizens. States can agree to implement laws based on pacts and treaties. That is not disputed.
If there is a supreme authority that can compel you to apply laws to your citizens without their explicit approval, then, the state becomes just a shell.
In essence this setup of the EU will lead the the formation of the "United states of Europe". That may be well and good for you but shouldn't the people be asked their opinions about it?
