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0 pointsdoikor2y ago0 comments

> What incentives do you have to keep putting in any effort?

Your paycheck?

You can still be fired on the spot if you are not doing your job. Though it might require a warning depending on the jurisdiction.

> Aren't you in a weird limbo for months/years on end where you don't know if your position will be terminated?

At least in Finland the legal requirement for the negotiations is 2 weeks and usually they take exactly that long. It can be even shorter if both sides agree.

The 2 week period also works well in a lot of low paying fields where you are paid every 2 weeks. Basically meaning that everyone knows they are getting their next paycheck in full (outside of a proper bankruptcy which is pretty much the only way out of these rules)

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contrarian12342y ago

"and usually they take exactly that long"

Then I guess it's unrelated to the two year long firing that's been announced

doikorOP2y ago

Yeah term of notice is a different thing which you can work around of with severance packages.

Terms of notice in Finland change a bit based on position/field but in general (might be off by a year here an there but in general 6 months is the longest after 10 or 12 years depending on the position/field)

After probationary period 2 weeks, after 1 years 1 month, after 4 years 2 months, after 8 years 4 months and after 12 years 6 months. (these also apply in the other direction when you are quitting but with different numbers)

Also something telling about the speed of these negotiations this the 3rd round this year for Nokia in Finland.

Also this is just for Finland. Pretty much every country in the EU has their own rules when it comes to large scale layoffs. EU pretty much just says "you have to try and negotiate with the workers/unions" but that is all.

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