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0 pointsstopping2y ago0 comments

Your assessment is a non-sequitur to the article.

Surgeons wear masks to protect the patient, because masks are very effective at trapping both droplets and aerosols that are emitted from the wearer. They are not designed to protect the user from lingering aerosols as masks are too loose to form a good seal, so most air breathed in simply enters from around the sides of the mask.

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AnthonBerg2y ago

Surgical masks defined as the ones that gape at the sides are comparatively ineffective at stopping aerosolized particles.

The idea that ballistic droplets are the primary means of infection is the old, old misunderstanding.

If we compare the objective of preventing transmission of pathogens from surgeon to patient to the objective of covering nudity, surgical masks are as effective as shorts.

Seeing as the objective is the objective, the ends should define the means. Therefore it is clear that any use of surgical masks is a fundamental and entrenched misunderstanding.

stoppingOP2y ago

There are many studies which show that surgical masks are quite good at stopping a majority of expelled particles, even those well within the aerosolized size regime:

Surgical masks reduce outward aerosol-sized particles by at least 74%: https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-020-72798-7

Surgical masks reduce outward COVID viral transmission by 73%, and viral RNA by 58%: https://journals.asm.org/doi/10.1128/msphere.00637-20

Outward filtering efficiency above 50% is certainly worth it compared to the cost of a surgeon wearing a mask. It's arguably worth it even at much lower efficiencies.

If you read my comment, you'll notice I'm not disagreeing on the aerosol/droplet size boundary. I'm arguing against the apparent subtext of your comment, which seems to indicate that surgical masks aren't effective at protecting patients.

AnthonBerg2y ago

Well said, thank you. Sincerely!

I’d like to reiterate my analogy of the shorts :)

Not least due to the subtle knock-on effects: surgical masks cast a fog on public awareness of face-fitting masks, which are superior in all respects (including comfort, which – case in point – came as a surprise when I tried one).

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The effectiveness of face-fitting masks is so much greater that I honestly regard the use of surgical masks as morally indefensible.

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AnthonBerg2y ago

Surgical masks defined as the ones that gape at the sides are comparatively ineffective at stopping aerosolized particles.

The idea that ballistic droplets are the primary means of infection is the old, old misunderstanding.

If we compare the objective of preventing transmission of pathogens from surgeon to patient to the objective of covering nudity, surgical masks are as effective as shorts.

Seeing as the objective is the objective, the ends should define the means. Therefore it is clear that any use of surgical masks is a fundamental and entrenched misunderstanding.

stoppingOP2y ago

There are many studies which show that surgical masks are quite good at stopping a majority of expelled particles, even those well within the aerosolized size regime:

Surgical masks reduce outward aerosol-sized particles by at least 74%: https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-020-72798-7

Surgical masks reduce outward COVID viral transmission by 73%, and viral RNA by 58%: https://journals.asm.org/doi/10.1128/msphere.00637-20

Outward filtering efficiency above 50% is certainly worth it compared to the cost of a surgeon wearing a mask. It's arguably worth it even at much lower efficiencies.

AnthonBerg2y ago

Well said, thank you. Sincerely!

I’d like to reiterate my analogy of the shorts :)

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The effectiveness of face-fitting masks is so much greater that I honestly regard the use of surgical masks as morally indefensible.

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