Productivity and Scalability(in performance sense) aren't opposites.
Take Bash. Performs bad and is a guarantee for terrible productivity in a large category of software. But perfect for a niche. Take Java. Performs better than many, and allows for good productivity (if you avoid the enterprise architectures, but that goes for any language). Or take Rust. Productivity much higher than most C/C++ and in my case higher than with Ruby/Rails, and also much more performant.
Primarily it's not the language that makes people more or less productive, though it does have some influence. It's mostly the frameworks in those languages. And traditionally the most modern / full-featured web frameworks haven't been in systems languages. The major counterexample at the moment (while still obviously not a systems language) is that modern JS VMs are actually really fast, so while I don't love JS, it does hit that sweet spot at the moment of performance and mature frameworks.
Also, I've never worked in Rust, but am mostly a systems programmer, and while I understand that Rust is supposed to be easier than C or C++, I'm skeptical that it's as easy to work with as higher level languages, or that you could throw most web developers into Rust without some serious additional learning.
That's another problem I have in this narrative. Productivity isn't measured by throwing an inexperienced developer at something and then looking how fast they get stuff done. That's learnability.
I'm an experienced Rails developer (some 15 years in) and my productivity has plataued for years now. I've been doing Java and Rust work for years too now. Web and application dev. It took years, but my productivity in both Java and Rust, on anything that lives longer than 6months, has vastly surpassed that of my Rails.
Productivity of a senior, or experienced dev, of a (large) team, of a team with high turnover, of a project over decades, all that is productivity too. And in all those categories, Rails isn't great.
That's all correct.
But the point I'm making is that if an MVP isn't accruing technical debt, it's over-engineered. Most of them will be thrown away, or rescoped, and so taking on technical debt is an advantageous strategy: you only have to pay the technical debt on the few survivors.
Shopify at its offset was a CRUD app (fun fact: it started as a snowboarding shop), and in 2006, Rails was a great choice for that.
Your notions are fine for an established company building a piece of infrastructure they're certain they'll need. But that's not what Shopify was, and it's not the spot most startups picking a framework are at.
Your thing about developer quality is kind of meh. Building the first versions of a shopping platform isn't rocket surgery. You don't need Anthony Bourdain to make a sandwich. Particularly if you're not sure anybody wants a sandwich.
They often clash with each other. Rust for example is a lot less pleasant to debug than interpreted languages and that is a loss of productivity.
The other reason is runtime speed. A typical Ruby test-suite takes me minutes to run. A typical Rails test suite tens of minutes. A typical Rust test-suite takes < a minute to compile and seconds to run. I run my tests hundreds of times per day. With a typical Rails project, I'm waiting for tests upwards of an hour per day (yes, I know guard, fancy runners with pattern matching etc).
The last reason, for me, is editor/IDE integration: Rust (and TS) type system make discovery, autocomplete and even co-pilot so much more useful that my productivity tanks the moment I'm "forced" to use my IDE with only solargraph to help.
And debugging: sure! I've had reasonable success with gdb and ruby debuggers in the past. Rust's gdb isn't much better. But stepping through a stack in a rails project is a nightmare: the stack is often so ridiculous deep (but it does show how elegant and neat it's all composed!) that it's all noise and no signal. Leaving a binding.pry or even `throw "why don't we get here?!"` also works, but to call that "productive" debugging is a stretch, IMO.
Then I did Ruby+Rails fulltime for 9 years. Just recently moved on.
With Ruby, I'd have to write hundreds of
edge-case unit-tests just to cover stuff that,
with Rust is enforced compile-time for me.
Never a problem for me.It was one of my major concerns about Ruby, prior to starting out. But like... it just wasn't a problem.
It turns out that we just don't pass the wrong kind of thing to the other thing very often, or at least I and my teams did not. It certainly helps if you follow some sane programming practices. Using well-named keyword arguments and identifiers, for example.
# bad. wtf is input?
def grant_admin_privileges(input)
end
# you would have to be a psychopath to pass this
# anything but a User object
def grant_admin_privileges(user:)
end
Of course, this can be a major problem if you're dealing with unfamiliar or poorly written code. In which case, yeah, that sucks. I know that many will scoff at the old-timey practice of "use good names" in lieu of actual language-level typing enforcement, and that "just use a little discipline!" has long been the excuse of people defending bad languages and tools. But a little discipline in Ruby goes such a long way, moreso than in any language I have ever used. With Ruby, I'd have to write hundreds of edge-case unit-tests
just to cover stuff that, with Rust is enforced compile-time for me.
Well, you do need test coverage with Ruby. But you do anyway in any language for "real" work, soooooo.I strongly dispute that you need extra tests for "edge cases" because of dynamic typing. Something is deeply wrong if we are coding defensive methods that handle lots of different types of inputs and do lots of duck typing checks or etc. to defend themselves against type-related edge cases.
(yes, I know guard, fancy runners with pattern matching etc).
Yeaaaaaah. Rails tests hit the database by default, which is good and bad, but it is inarguably slowwww. I don't find pure Ruby code to be slow to test. The last reason, for me, is editor/IDE integration
Yes. I still miss feeling like some kind of god-level being with C#, Visual Studio, and Resharper. I liked the Ruby REPL which offset that largely in terms of coding productivity but was certainly not a direct replacement. But stepping through a stack in a rails project is a nightmare
Yeah. I always wanted a version of the pry 'next' method that was basically like, "step to the next line of code but skip all framework and Ruby core code"